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would you take advice from a doctor that takes his child to a foreign hotel and leaves the kid alone in a hotel room without a babysitter?
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PEDO'S
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PEDO'S
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PEDO'S RUN THE WORLD
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DEATH CULTS
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SATANIC RITUALS
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PEDO'S ARE THE BANKERS !
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CHILDREN ARE THE CURRENCY
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BUT THEY TOOK A UK CHILD
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THERE ARE LAWS IN PEDO BANKING!
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BUT THEY BREAK THEM ALL
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despite watching 1000,s of news bulletins,reading loads in newspapers and on here it was only last week that i new that you actually had to leave the complex to get to the tapas bar onto a busy rd,99.9% not loike a having a drink in the garden
i,m amazed at scandia,s repeated comment about how did they have the time to get rid,hide,etc a body,SOMEONE DID,why not someone who had time to plan it,organise it,set their statements against a pre planned event,as opposed to say a random intruder who would have to think on his feet within seconds in the dark of night |
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Fair point.
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er, obv someone did, but it wasn't the McCanns was it, they were at the resort, someone could have driven for miles and miles and miles, the McCanns are highly unlikely to have have planned a cover up of a child in a place they didn't know without ever being disturbed/found. If you think they arranged for someone else to do it at such short notice in such a state of panic, they it's borderline delusional.
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it's unlikely, so unlikely that it seems insanely remote, but for the bazillionth time, so is an abduction. you can't compare the likelihood of one scenario in isolation here, we know that she's missing, and the relative likelihoods of different narratives is the important bit, not the individual likelihood.
I maintain that Kate's adamancy that she had been abducted, immediately after discovering that she was missing, is the biggest problem. To be primed to assume that, having made the decisions they did, is incompatible with leaving them unattended. In particular, if she were the one feeling guilty about leaving them, she would be the one checking. The obvious assumption when a child goes missing is to assume they wandered off on their own. |
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so in the uk abduction,burring bodies,getting rid of weapons etc,people who,ve planned such crimes dont drives 100,s of miles to get rid of the evidence even if a crime is planned they panic and get rid in the locality,the theory of a random driving 100,s of miles away to dispose of something isnt the norm,
your left with a planned abduction which was so well planned according to the tapas mob took place mins before a planned check on the kids,or maddy wandering out of the appartment straight into the hands of the local peado who within seconds decides to drive 100,s of miles away,for reasons known only to them from the second it happened to this day the mcaans ruled out the obvious theory of her walking out of the appartment of her own accord |
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I have never thought too much of the comment " they have taken her " when your in turmoil you can do or say the the strangest things.
The point being her mind was racing ten to the dozen she just blurted out the worst possible scenario. |
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say the strangest things,
all the attention went on to huntly and carr when she and others have talked about people in the past tense,sometning i,d say was far less incriminating than kates remark but the police jump all over it |
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in a state of panic, nothing is obvious.
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Take a scenario. Which has already been suggested btw.
Two professional doctors decide to give Maddie a sleeping drug( she'd awoken previous nights and complained ). Something goes wrong and she dies. As parents you are immediately faced with, Prosecution Prison Loss of twins ( into Social Care) Loss of careers 'etc,etc,etc. What options are open to you ? |
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That has been suggested many times, fact, but again the question of where/how in such a short space of time could they have conceled a dead body without being traced for 10 years in a location they didn't know. And from a human point of view, could two parents think like this in such a scenario in such a short space of time...only one of them would have been convicted of wrong doing either way, and that one parent would not have been facing a murder charge, if you're child has just died, surely you are suffering too much grief to concuct such a meticulous, successful plan, you'd also have to be an extremly cold human being with little emotion.
Also it doesn't make sense because of what has happened in the years that followed, everything they have done is to draw attention to the case, if they were guilty you would surely think that is the last thing they would do, they would want the public attention to die down, you could argue that is apart of the plan, deception...but for 10 years? maybe for a couple. |
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That's where I am with this case, Facts.
The use of sleeping drugs is apparently qute common to quieten kids. K&G would have access to some decent stuff too.. As you say, if it did go horribly wrong, they were faced with an incredibly hard choice. They may have thought deflecting the blame would enable them to keep the twins which would be best for all concerned. There is a suggestion Maddy was not seen for a few days (No photos released from the immediate past and perhaps not sighted either.) I wonder if she died earlier in the week. |
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huntlry,tia sharp killer,sharron mathews,philpott all put themselves front and centre of the investigations its a well known trait thats why police shove them in front of the tv camera,s
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The 10 years is a bit of a red herring if as has been suggested Madeleine was cremated.
Not like you Scandi to try and muddy the waters. |
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murat,russian bloke,a dozen thieves ,hotel receptionist etc,etc all been suspected in the heat of the moment of doing what scandia wont let enter his thinking that 2 highly educated dr,s with time to work out a plan couldnt possibly do,i dont see any logic in that whatsever,huntley managed to get on tv,get his girlfriend on board and nip 20 miles away to hide 2 bodies in a ditch ,whilst in the teauma of murdering 2 kids ,why couldnt 2 dr,s with the help of the only witness,s tapas squad do the same
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If she was cremated (care to explain where/how/who helped), why would they bother kepping up the pretence for 10 years with interviews and campaigns? there would be no point.
Me stating the glaringly obvious such as why would they keep promoting this story if they were guilty, is not muddying waters, stating endless array of scenarios as to how she died, is more akin to muddying waters. |
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if you daughter was missing you,d bring more attention to yourself by not continuing to pretend to look for her surely,remember the grief they got for coming home after saying they,d never leave the algarve till she was found,for fooooooooks sakes its almost protocol,the done thing for murderers to join in the search,
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someone might say that the fact no ones been convicted and if it wasnt an inside job why havnt there been anymore peado abductions,botched break ins resulting in people been attacked in apartments etc in the last 10 year and the years previous
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the done thing for parents is look for their child, does that need to be said ?
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Was a story in the news recently about a woman being cremated that week.
I was always of the opinion that an abduction was the more likely but there is as little/much evidence to support this as any other theory. |
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Something for ye all to have a read of...
PHYSICAL / APARTMENT / ENTRY 1. All five markers in a sample found under the tiles, behind the sofa (exactly where Eddie, the EVRD [Cadaver] dog and Keela, the CSI [Human Blood] dog, both indicated), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile 2. Fifteen of the markers, in a sample found under the luggage liner of the McCann's Scenic (hired 24 days later), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile 3. Shutters were not jemmied or forced, as claimed by the parents 4. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the apartment 5. No physical evidence of anyone having entered or left via the window, including: 6. No Lichen disturbance 7. No Fibres 8. No Finger prints of abductor 9. No footprints on bed 10. Only finger prints on the window are those of Kate DOGS 11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A 12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A 13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom 14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A 15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate 16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate 17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt 18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine 19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car 20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic 21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog) 22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car 23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot TANNER SIGHTING The only perceived evidence of abduction, being the sighting by Jane Tanner at around 21.15 is riddled with inconsistencies and conflicting testimonies, being the fact that 24. None of the scent tracking Search & Rescue dogs followed that trail, and in fact followed another trail completely 25. Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to spot the ?abductor?, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Gerry 26. Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to see Jane Tanner walking by, despite being on the same narrow sidewalk at the same time 27. Gerry himself failed to spot the abductor, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Jeremy 28. Gerry contradicted Jeremy by stating that their chat was on the opposite side of the road from that as described, and drawn on a map, by Mr Wilkins 29. Gerry also contradicted Tanner, by stating that his chat with Jeremy was on the opposite side of the road from that mentioned by Jane 30. Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking to her apartment at 21.15 31. Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking from her apartment at 21.20 32. Jane never bumped into Jeremy Wilkins (who had walked back to his apartment after the chat with Gerry) while walking back from her apartment at 21.20 33. Russell O'Brien failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking to his apartment at 21.30 34. Matthew Oldfield failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking to his apartment, which was right next door, at 21.30 35. Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains while checking on Madeleine and the twins 36. Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking from his apartment back to the Tapas at around 21.35 37. Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking to her apartment at 21.45 38. Russell failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine's bedroom while walking back from his apartment at 21.50 39. Tanner's description has changed several times 40. It makes no sense, especially if (as the McCann's claim) that this was a well planned abduction, that the abductor walks across the very road used by the parents to check on their children 41... The abductor failed to hear either Tanner, Gerry or Wilkins, and continued on the path that would put him in the full vision of all three 42... If the abductor had lifted Madeleine out of the bed, then he would be carrying with her head to his right hand side, not on the left as in Tanner's claimed sighting SMITH SIGHTING 43. The Smith family (independent witnesses) sighting has, with the exception of one brief mention two years later, been completely ignored by the McCann's and their private detectives from day one (no e-fit / press conference / media onslaught) despite the fact that? 44. There was huge publicity given to the Tanner sighting, including the pressure put on the Portuguese authorities to get the details out there 45. The Smith family descriptions have never changed 46. The sighting was only minutes before the 'alarm' was raised 47. The sighting was only 250 metres from the apartment 48. This sighting would have explained many of the inconsistencies of the Tanner sighting as mentioned above 49. There were several members of the family who witnessed this man carrying a child 50. The general area and timing of the sighting made by the family can be corroborated by a restaurant receipt for that evening 51. The general description of the man could fit Gerry McCann 52. The description of the child matches Madeleine 53. The type of trousers match those possessed by Gerry 54. Trousers match in terms of colour 55. Trousers even match in terms of the visible buttons as mentioned by one of the family 56. Martin and his wife later identified the carrier, through the distinctive carrying style, as being Gerry McCann Given much of the above, the remarkable coincidence that? 57. The pressure put on the PJ to highlight the Tanner sighting came at exactly the same time as the Smith family were being brought back to Portugal to go over the sighting in more detail 58. The sighting was in a different part of town from the Tanner sighting 59. It was also heading in a completely different direction 60. The carrying style was completely different to that of the Tanner sighting 61. And yet the McCann's deliberately altered the Smith sighting carrying style so as to match that of the Tanner sighting, during the only ever significant mention of the sighting, in a McCann made reconstruction aired only a few days after Amaral's (in which he included the Smith sighting) 62. They also tried to morph the carrier into the same man as seen by Tanner, despite significant differences in descriptions BEHAVIOURAL There are many instances of strange behaviour from the McCann's, not being consistent with parents of a child abducted by paedophiles, including (but not limited to)? 63. Kate complaining about the speed of a police vehicle while being take to look into a new lead at PJ HQ (sighting caught on CCTV) 64. Gerry laughing and joking and sucking lollipops while one of the most significant abduction leads came to a climax 65. Very little mention of the huge award available over the last three years 66. Despite raising millions through their fund, and spending thousands on media monitoring, they continue to charge for travel kits and for printing off posters designed to help find their daughter 67. Lack of physical searching during the first few days 68. Lack of physically handing out leaflets / putting up posters themselves 69. Hiring cowboy private detectives with no expertise or experience in finding children 70. Gerry smirking when asked by a Sky News presenter how he feels when someone comes forward who is certain that they have seen Madeleine 71. When up to 14 possible sightings of Madeleine emerged in Malta, resulting in a huge police operation including Interpol, the McCann's hot footed it to Germany for more TV plugs 72. When the most promising sighting of all was made in Belgium, a 110% certain sighting by a child therapist, considered so credible by authorities that they despatched a forensics team, the McCanns went looking in Huelva, Spain 73. Gerry's initial claim, as overheard by another holidaymaker, within minutes of the alarm being raised, that Madeleine had been taken by paedophiles. How did he know that? 74. Gerry caught on Camera laughing his head off only a few days after his daughter had been abducted by paedophiles as claimed by the parents 75. Despite refuting the claims of the dogs / Scenic findings, the McCann's continued to submit ridiculous reasoning for them, including Sea bass, sweat, dirty nappies, rubbish en-route to dump, rotten meat, and attending to 6 bodies before the holiday, amongst others 76. Kate refusing to answer 48 police questions 77. The McCann's and their holiday friends all refusing to attend a police reconstruction 78. Despite the Madeleine's disappearance looking like an inside job from the outset, the McCann's and their friends were happy enough returning their children to the MW creche just hours later, despite not knowing if any of the staff were involved 79. When Kate raised the alarm, she ran back to the table, leaving the twins in the apartment while not knowing whether the abductor(s) were still onsite 80. Kate shouting They've taken her!?, not distinguishing between Madeleine and her sister Amelie STATEMENT INCONSISTENCIES 90. When describing Madeleine sleeping that night, Kate said she was under the covers where as Gerry mentioned that his daughter slept without the covers, as was normal 91. Matthew Oldfield initially claimed that Kate and the children were at the tennis courts when he arrived there at 18.30 where as the rest of the Tapas 9 claim otherwise 92. David Payne's 18.30 / 18.40 check on Kate (last person out with the parents to see Madeleine) : According to Kate the sliding door was closed, and that David didn't actually enter the apartment, remaining at the door. But according to David, the door was open and he definitely entered the apartment. 93. Matt Oldfield chivvying up the Payne's at 21.00 : Matt claims he passed them near the top of the road, but David claims to have passed him by the swimming pool, Fiona claims to have passed him outside 5A, and Dianne Webster initially claimed that Matthew wasn't even there. 94. Prior to the PJ arriving at 12:40/12:50 Russell O'Brien has written the timeline for them all, including, Jane tanner sees stranger walking carrying child. He does this while Gerry McCann sits at the same table. However, according to Jane Tanner it's three o' clock in the morning when she informs Gerry McCann for the first time OTHER 95. Various other possible withheld evidence as hinted at, including intercepted phone calls / text messages 96. Independent witness statement (from McCann neighbour) regarding the luggage door of the McCann's hire vehicle being open morning, noon and night 97. Gerry's missing hold-all / tennis / kit bag which he was seen with the day Madeleine disappeared cannot be located by detectives 98. Gaspar (UK GPs) statements detailing concerns about the father and one of his friends on holiday with them 99. Yvonne Martin (Social Worker) statement regarding concerns about the same friend 100. This same friend calls the Metropolitan Police Crime Specialist Director (a number which is also used as the out of hours contact for the Met's Child Abuse Investigation Team) 24 hours after the alarm |
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Care to post a link to that story, aka ?
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A few questions Kate refused to answer (there were 48 in total)..
6 Why did you say Madeleine had been abducted? 7 Assuming Madeleine was abducted, why did you leave the twins to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? The supposed abductor could still be in the apartment. 8 Why didn’t you ask the twins then what happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on? 21 Who did you phone after the occurrence? 22 Did you call Sky News? 23 Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor? 26 Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving? 30 What was Madeleine’s behaviour like? 31 Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication? Ms McCann answered just one question put to her by the police during the interrogation, when she invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect. She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Maddie. - that last sentence is quite incredible. And her protest at 'being treated as a suspect' is bizarre. An intelligent woman, a doctor, would know that the police would HAVE to start with the family as possible suspects. |
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There is a link to it Scandi although I read it in one of the dailies.
Don't know how credible the information is but it could be feasible. https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14058-maddie-cremated |
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instead of throwing money at any agency begging to get invloved the police could still push the case further by getting more information,exposing vested interests from the likes of the,
mcaans tapas squad the priest freud rumoured peado connections of some of those involved. according to bloke on tv the other night millions of pounds spent on not finding maddie but in moving the spotlight away from the parents,let down whilst she was here and been let down since she went missingher parents and friends will do anything ,spend millions of taxpayers money but wont answer questions and tell the whole story |
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forget the mcaans why arnt the police trying to force the tapas squad,priest ,murat etc,etc to take lie detector test,even the possibility of such tests could shake an apple from the tree
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Surely the most reliable 'witnesses' are the specialist SNIFFER DOGS.
They never only find Talculm Powder when sniffing/searching for Heroin.... they find Heroin. - and the authorities do not send for, and use, specialist SNIFFER DOGES when searching for bodies after an Earthquake, just for show. |
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that odius mcaan spokesmen clarence mitchell ex tory machine man,was telling people why the parents are innocent,why the dogs evidence was flawed etc,pr exercise for the parents on tv the other night,thats not his job its the polices job,wasnt that other tv celeb mark someone who has just done his own show their spokesmen in the early days,it all stinks to high heaven,wtf does clarence mitchell no about evidence,smells found by dogs, i,d bet the dogs handlers didnt think all the dogs markers were bogus and explained away if so they shouldnt be spending millions to train and use them
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Gerry publicly disagreed. Stated that such dogs were very unreliable.
When pressed ,his arrogant reply was ' you'd best ask the dogs' And they wonder why people remain suspicious of the parents ! Very interesting about the church, the priest and keys. And the theory of crem |
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* cremation and the missing tennis bag,that might explain the DNA traces in the hire car.?
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