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By:
guinness2dear
When: 04 May 17 09:55
but if the parents were in any way complicit, why would they have done everything in their power to keep the issue at the forefront of police and piblic consciousness?



For the same reason that Jack the Ripper and others taunt plod?
By:
Facts
When: 04 May 17 09:55
i_agree_with_nick    04 May 17 09:23 
In my view, the McCanns played no part whatsoever in the disappearance.

I didn't see this programme and I haven't read the whole thread but if the parents were in any way complicit, why would they have done everything in their power to keep the issue at the forefront of police and piblic consciousness?




Hiding in plain sight ?
By:
xmoneyx
When: 04 May 17 09:56
I thought mcann parents leaving the area , to go on a european press tour was very strange Crazy
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 04 May 17 10:07
Facts / g2d - Jack the Ripper was unidentified.

As for hiding in plain sight, would they really keep an elaborate charade going for 10 years?
By:
guinness2dear
When: 04 May 17 10:16
The abdcuctor - killer is also unidentified..

I don't think they murdered the child btw. But i'm utterly convinced they know more than they're saying..
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 May 17 10:26
that clarence mitchell bloke formally in politics give the game away ,when he said
do you really think 2 doctors would cover up the death of their daughters,or in other words if they were 2 chavs of a sink estate they,d be locked up,seems pretty obvious to me the more intelligent  you are the better chance you have of pulling off a cover up,especially when you have goons like clarence thinking middle class doctors can,t commit crimes,with that type of thinking your well on your way
why did the bbc straight away throw the shutter theory into the open and then move onto to the receptionist within seconds
By:
spyker
When: 04 May 17 10:30
I didn't see this programme and I haven't read the whole thread but if the parents were in any way complicit, why would they have done everything in their power to keep the issue at the forefront of police and piblic consciousness?

How much money (for the not for profit company in donations to find the kid) have they got through this last 10 years - i'm guessing they don't have to work again - and yet the police operation has cost what £10-12m? I presume the accounts of the nfp are all audited and everything is accounted for but that doesn't mean dodgy things don't happen, other people lose kids (and have zero blame)and basically get on with life without setting up multi million pound organisations.
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 May 17 10:32
someone,s got away with something in a moment of blind panic late in the evening be it peado,robbers,intruders,so why do people think 2 intelligent people with hours to plan something cant have got away with something makes no sense,no mark, one of them not a full shilling robbers carrying a no doubt screaming kid through the streets as pubs and eateries were kicking out,with no credible sightings aint plausible is it,especialy when you have hawk eye murats mother noticing the speed of cars,peoples clothing colours etc, WALOFS
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 May 17 10:37
BRUNT
PANORAMA
PORTUGESE POLICE
UK POLICE
CLARENCE MITCHELL
MACAANS
TAPAS 7
WITNESS,S
PRIEST
UK GOVERNMENT
MEDIA

WHO BELIEVES ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TELLING US EVERYTHING THEY NO AND ARE ALL TELLING THE TRUTH
By:
Blackrock
When: 04 May 17 12:09
No evidence of an intruder. No evidence the McCanns did it.

Apartment not DNA 'd till several weeks after McCanns left. When the McCanns were put down as suspects, a furore followed, as if to say how could they be suspects. They had to be the biggest suspects but were given a free pass it seems.

I have no idea what happened nor does anyone else. But Kate and Gerrys behaviour was not that of normal parents, but that does not make them guilty.

Don't see the case ever being resolved.
By:
bix
When: 04 May 17 13:50
But Kate and Gerrys behaviour was not that of normal parents, but that does not make them guilty.

Totally agree. Another bizzare occurence in addition to the world tour and audience with the Pope was how quickly they were able to set up their team of advisers and helpers. Almost as if they had a plan ready to put into action in the event of one of their children going missing. Most parents in that position would be incapable of any rational thought for some time but not the McCanns who seemed to immediately be able to appoint solicitors, get publicity photographs printed and distributed and organise a "searching for Madeleine"  business plan.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 04 May 17 13:53
I would of stayed local,and mixed with police
By:
GoBallistic
When: 04 May 17 14:21
"Apartment not DNA 'd till several weeks after McCanns left"

The Panorama programme is misleading on this point (deliberately ?).  Perhaps they mean the blood collection after the UK dogs alerted

You can read the report of the forensic collection carried out within 24 hrs
.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

Of course,  the apartment was apparently open to many people during the 40 minutes between when the McCann's say they first noticed Maddie was gone (10pm) and the recorded time when the police were first called
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 May 17 14:23
what about the brunt docu when the scotland yd man was tipped off to stay clear if asked to lead the operation because you wernt allowed to consider the mcaans as suspects,wtf is that all about,
jim gamble from c ops had gerry on his radar when he started the investigation ,now your a loon if you think the parents had some involvement
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 04 May 17 22:37

May 4, 2017 -- 8:23AM, 1st time poster wrote:


what about the brunt docu when the scotland yd man was tipped off to stay clear if asked to lead the operation because you wernt allowed to consider the mcaans as suspects,wtf is that all about,jim gamble from c ops had gerry on his radar when he started the investigation ,now your a loon if you think the parents had some involvement


yep I agree that was very strange saying they couldnt investigate the parents

By:
akabula
When: 04 May 17 22:49
scandanavian_haven
so a parent of a missing child is a 'trolled' because people don't like the way he comes across? wow they are brave, and pumphol you're another person in a very long list who has used this as a platform to make yourself look like a perfect parent with that kind of post, it's been rinsed.


Not something we could ever accuse the McCanns of is it?
Scandi posts this every time that somebody criticises them. Either a relative or a friend.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 04 May 17 23:21
That's just how your mind works  aka, if someone doesn't agree with you, they are a troll, a relative or friend of the person being attacked and if that doesn't work, turn to abuse, as detraveller also found outShocked

People have spent 10 years passing judgment on their parenting skills, I think they have been punished enough and those people should find another punchbag as the McCanns have been punished enough.

Also, again nobody has any theories as to how/where they could have disposed of a dead body in a location they never knew, without ever being caught, without the body ever being found.
By:
tobermory
When: 04 May 17 23:51
Whether they 'have been punished enough' depends upon what they have actually done
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 04 May 17 23:55
They have lost a child, and there is zero hard evidence to suggest they had anything to do with it, so losing a child is punishment enough for having not supervised them on the night(and yes, nights), which I'm sure that have beat themselves up over ever since.
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 04 May 17 23:55
they havent been punished at all imo, shouldve been done for child neglect
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 04 May 17 23:57

May 4, 2017 -- 5:55PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


They have lost a child, and there is zero hard evidence to suggest they had anything to do with it, so losing a child is punishment enough for having not supervised them on the night(and yes, nights), which I'm sure that have beat themselves up over ever since.


yep they think theyre the real victims in this and not the little girl, think thats what aggravates alot of people

By:
akabula
When: 05 May 17 00:02

[i]scandanavian_haven
They have lost a child, and there is zero hard evidence to suggest they had anything to do with it,


There is no hard evidence of an abduction either so surely nothing can be ruled out.
By:
pumphol.
When: 05 May 17 08:46
scandanavian_haven
    04 May 17 23:21   

That's just how your mind works  aka, if someone doesn't agree with you, they are a troll


So I made one comment  on here & you wrote this


"pumphol you're another person in a very long list who has used this as a platform to make yourself look like a perfect parent with that kind of post,"


So are you disagreeing with me or being a troll, I'm sure your remember hounding me a few years back for not knowing an easy quiz question from a TV show I was on,so are you a troll or a hypocrite or perhaps both ?
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 05 May 17 09:36
tv quiz wtf?Laugh feel free to find that thread but you wont because it doesn't exist.
does not surprise me that that to deal with being called a troll, you call the person basically saying the thing, a troll, ok, that answers the question.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 05 May 17 09:38
An eejit first and foremost
By:
johnizere
When: 05 May 17 09:44
Scamdinavian..tv quiz wtf?Laugh feel free to find that thread but you wont because it doesn't exist.

I think you'll find pumphol has been on a few tv quiz shows, 15 to 1, and sale of the century, where he was up against Kevin, from eggheads!!
That show is on youtube, I've seen it Blush
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 05 May 17 12:16
missed point John, he said I hounded him for missing a question on a quiz, I've no idea who he is let alone know he was on quiz shows and then mocking him, completely making it up, he is more than welcome to find that post though. He is trolling the McCanns and then calls me a troll for pulling him up on it, lol.
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 05 May 17 15:57
Saying that the mccanns were guilty of neglect is hardly ground breaking stuff,loads of people have said the same thing,seems a bit harsh & selective to pull up pumphol for it.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 05 May 17 16:02
not selective or personal, as akabula says I mention it to other people all the time for two reasons, 1) it's been said a million times over 10 years so why keep hammering home the point, probably because 2) it makes them feel better about their own parenting skills/makes them look a better parent and that's more likely the main reason as to why people keep going on about leaving them alone.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 05 May 17 16:11
I've said on this thread that I believe the McCanns were not in any way involved with Madeleine's disappearance but I cannot defend their decision to leave the children unattended.

Gerry McCann said something along the lines of, "it wasn't dissimilar to leaving the children in the house whilst having a drink on the garden". Hmmm...


What is the forum's view on the allegation that Kate McCann's first words on discovering Maddie was missing were, "they've taken her".

My own, fwiw, is that if she did say that she was probably in shock. If I was in that situation, I would have probably been a gibbering, incoherent wreck (no change there, then Grin)
By:
Injera
When: 05 May 17 18:04
There are 3 interviews on you tube with a Statement Analyst who I found very impressive.

He dissected the choice of words Kate and Gerry used without knowing as lot about the case.

His conclusion was they were incriminating themselves with how they described events.

One example is the 'they've taken her' comment. It makes little sense. Why use such words unless a) you know there are people in the area who kidnap kids (in which case why leave yours alone?) or b) you're making up a story.

The more obvious expression of shock would have been: 'Maddy's gone!'
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 05 May 17 18:19
In a state of panic, fear and hysterics...you're teling them what they should have said whilst sitting calmly at a computer thinking rationally?

makes no sense.

They were also surrended by legal teams and PR who no doubt helped to dictate they way they answered questions, in fear of losing custody of their twins or being imprisoned, which is what the portuguese police wanted, so much so they offered Kate McCann a deal, confess and you will get a lighter sentance,
By:
Injera
When: 05 May 17 18:26
To answer your question - yes.

Kate made an immediate assumption of what had happened to her daughter. Why?

Most kids of that age who go missing wander off. The reaction of a frightened parent is not to describe a crime, it's to express horror that the child is not where she was left.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 05 May 17 18:40
again you're thinking very rationally and methodically, a nice luxery to have.
By:
Injera
When: 05 May 17 20:54
That's the nicest thing I've heard in ages. Happy
By:
guinness2dear
When: 05 May 17 21:29
it's to express horror that the child is not where she was left.

Especially if she knew the child was in errr a deep sleep...
By:
akabula
When: 05 May 17 21:52
I think the first reaction of people would have been to make a quick search of the immediate area.
Strange as well that in thinking Madeleine had been abducted that Kate left the other 2 children alone whilst she went back to tell Gerry and the other diners.
By:
GoBallistic
When: 05 May 17 22:12
It was good to see who the Met have selected as their Barry George this time.  This one makes poor Barry look like a Bond villain.  If only he'd taken the cameras, sunglasses, passports and phones that were lying around the apartment then he might have been able to afford to get his teeth done
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 06 May 17 00:36

May 5, 2017 -- 4:28PM, Facts wrote:


' .........Gerry McCann said something along the lines of, "it wasn't dissimilar to leaving the children in the house whilst having a drink on the garden"........'Hadn't heard this before. But it's consistent with his attitude throughout. Smarmy, arrogant and unfeeling.Definitely ' something of the night ' about him .imo.


He's a doctor. I'd be more surprised if this wasn't how you found him.

By:
ufcdan
When: 06 May 17 06:58
Can't really be bothered to read this thread, obviously feel sorrow for the child but as for the parents, all I'll say is if this had been a single mum from a council estate she would of been vilified!
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