why hilary ultimately lost the election

That's wrong she did get enough votes.

It was the way they were distributed that beat her.

if she took KJP on the hustings every chick in america would have voted for her

she could have attended the rallys in a giant bed ffs


with her on top during the speech obviously

BITO have you offered any democrats a naked group hug?

Clinton is up for anything, just watch for UCIs.

(Unexpected Cigar Insertion)

I actually used to fancy Chelsea
But I also think she looks a bit like her dad, so I'd have to blot that thought out to avoid loosing more wood than a Brazilian rainforest.

TBH their electoral college think doesn't make any sense to me?
For our MPs breaking things up into areas DOES make sense, as they area representative, but for them .. why not just tally up all the votes for this one?

JC - If you really want to know the history and complexity of the electoral college system, you can look it up. I wouldn't recommend it at this time of night.  Re the tally-up, I am not sure you mean what you say as your recommendation may result in a Clinton victory - there is still a good chance that she will get more (popular) votes than him.  In fact, he could be only the second President since the 1880's(?) to lose the popular votes and be elected. Guess the other one??

That's what I meant blackbarn, I wasn't being partisan. The votes are AFAIK just to elect the president, why not just add them up, why have intermediate grouping of votes in 2016 that distort it? I suppose it makes better entertainment but ...! I can only think it made sense 100 years ago.

lfc - I can entirely understand why you might want to justify this aged and unjustifiable system, but you do need to defend it in more detail even if just for my benefit.

the whole American mid west need not turn out, that's why

now we have a lot of very rich and wealthy people in California and New York, I do not want them electing the president while the average working man in vast areas of the states never have a say.

America is a very big country, the American president must represent all of it.

Thanks lfc....Good stuff

So how is the system weighted to balance state vs individual?
Why is the system not the same for all states?
Is the process of candidates focussing on key "college" states conducive to good democracy?

It's probably like oz. One seat may have more voters than another. Occasionally the losing party gets more overall voters but less seats.

If you disagree with the policy of simple tally across the nation, you are effectively saying that some citizens votes are worth more than others.

she lost because she was the least trusted

I don't have too much interest in the American voting system but I would have thought the value of college votes is linked to the number in that area, which is essentially just the same, there maybe a few extra bits to it but I'd be surprised if votes had differing values on anything other than numbers.

All politician's careers are doomed to end in failure, because the system is flawed having to attempt to cater to selfishness over altruism.
It generally means a fractural element occurs where parties get voted in and out in cycles when they simple don't seem to cut it.
On this occasion the rednecks won out and a new tactic has been used under the veil of anti establishment; they voted in somebody who has no knowledge or experience
Talk about out of the frying pan.

It's either likely to be hilarious or very scary once he has to start playing his hand.

cannot argue with what facts says which is more proof what she is all about

Hilary Clinton got more votes than Trump

Reminds me of when Homer was the football coach.

Homer Simpson - Steven I liked your hustle.

Steven smiles.

Homer - That's why it was so hard to cut you