why hilary ultimately lost the election

That's wrong she did get enough votes.

It was the way they were distributed that beat her.

good old FPTP voting

if only they voted referendum style, everyone accept those results

if she took KJP on the hustings every chick in america would have voted for her

shirley they'd have been too shagged out

she could have attended the rallys in a giant bed ffs


with her on top during the speech obviously

Noticed "the last leg" having a dig at her getting the msot votes but losing .. can't remember them complaining about the democratic deficit of UKIP getting a huge amount of votes for 1 MP?!

BITO have you offered any democrats a naked group hug?

Clinton is up for anything, just watch for UCIs.

(Unexpected Cigar Insertion)

i'd hug hilary in a naked fashion in front of a naked chelsea in front of bills havana 24/7

I actually used to fancy Chelsea
But I also think she looks a bit like her dad, so I'd have to blot that thought out to avoid loosing more wood than a Brazilian rainforest.

Just Checking - you are right, but what is amusing about the US Result is that President Trump has almost certainly won because of the effect of the "electoral college" system.  A system he tweeted two days ago as a "disaster for democracy".   Some systems you win, some systems you lose.

TBH their electoral college think doesn't make any sense to me?
For our MPs breaking things up into areas DOES make sense, as they area representative, but for them .. why not just tally up all the votes for this one?

area was supposed to be "are A"!! Damn my sh1t space bar.

"Make Space Bars Great Again!"

JC - If you really want to know the history and complexity of the electoral college system, you can look it up. I wouldn't recommend it at this time of night.  Re the tally-up, I am not sure you mean what you say as your recommendation may result in a Clinton victory - there is still a good chance that she will get more (popular) votes than him.  In fact, he could be only the second President since the 1880's(?) to lose the popular votes and be elected. Guess the other one??

George W Bush

That's what I meant blackbarn, I wasn't being partisan. The votes are AFAIK just to elect the president, why not just add them up, why have intermediate grouping of votes in 2016 that distort it? I suppose it makes better entertainment but ...! I can only think it made sense 100 years ago.

it works because it is a system to find the president that best represents the country, not that represents the individual.

it is an attempt to find what the country wants, not what the individual wants.
democracy is not about the individual vote, this is what people don't understand about democracy.

lfc - I can entirely understand why you might want to justify this aged and unjustifiable system, but you do need to defend it in more detail even if just for my benefit.

we do not want New York and Los Angeles deciding the president, every time.

the whole American mid west need not turn out, that's why

the president is there to represent the whole of the country, it is not really about the individual. it is very democratic.

now we have a lot of very rich and wealthy people in California and New York, I do not want them electing the president while the average working man in vast areas of the states never have a say.

Its complicated, but in general it works very well.

America is a very big country, the American president must represent all of it.

did you see the map of red and blue? that's all you need to know.

Thanks lfc....Good stuff

So how is the system weighted to balance state vs individual?
Why is the system not the same for all states?
Is the process of candidates focussing on key "college" states conducive to good democracy?

Blackburn I`ll be honest, I haven't looked into it in that depth.
I took a quick glance at this thread and instinctively new the reasons I have given.

It's probably like oz. One seat may have more voters than another. Occasionally the losing party gets more overall voters but less seats.

two countries were the indigenous should be handed back rule.

If you disagree with the policy of simple tally across the nation, you are effectively saying that some citizens votes are worth more than others.

Hillary deserved to lose the election.  She is a pathological liar and a thoroughly despicable person.  The Clinton campaign, aided by the Obama administration, fought a scaremongering campaign with the desperate intent of protecting their wholly discredited legacy.

she lost because she was the least trusted

And they made sure the real President elect didn't become the Democratic nominee.
Bernie Sanders would have beaten  Trump.

I don't have too much interest in the American voting system but I would have thought the value of college votes is linked to the number in that area, which is essentially just the same, there maybe a few extra bits to it but I'd be surprised if votes had differing values on anything other than numbers.

All politician's careers are doomed to end in failure, because the system is flawed having to attempt to cater to selfishness over altruism.
It generally means a fractural element occurs where parties get voted in and out in cycles when they simple don't seem to cut it.
On this occasion the rednecks won out and a new tactic has been used under the veil of anti establishment; they voted in somebody who has no knowledge or experience
Talk about out of the frying pan.

It's either likely to be hilarious or very scary once he has to start playing his hand.

The Clinton campaign did cheat Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.  Whether he would have beaten Trump, who knows? 

I lost all respect for him when he endorsed Clinton.

cannot argue with what facts says which is more proof what she is all about

Pretty much anyone would have got elected ahead of Clinton (or Trump).

I was reminded of the phrase ABC (Anything But Chardonnay) as the answer when asked what wine you would like.

I though Anybody But Clinton.  I googled it and the phrase already exists.

Hilary Clinton got more votes than Trump

at least she's got a runners up medal then

Reminds me of when Homer was the football coach.

Homer Simpson - Steven I liked your hustle.

Steven smiles.

Homer - That's why it was so hard to cut you

Hillary Clinton did not get more votes than Trump. You could only say that if the election was being run on a different system and then we cannot be sure how the votes would go.
Because if the election had been run on a popular vote system then Trump and Hilary would have campaigned on that system and Trump would probably have won again.

The thought of having the likes of Trump , rudy gulliani , newt gingrich in charge of the country is enough for any sane person to start fleeing the joint, clowns and rednecks in charge

Let me explain, how people voted depends to some extent on how Trump and Clinton campaigned, where they campaigned, the nature and state of where they campaigned, etc now this has an effect on how people vote at least to some extent and in places like California a large extent.
If Trump thinks California is lost he will not worry if all the voters there vote Clinton, and this distorts the popular vote.

You will not get the BBC explaining that to you or me. They will be very careful not to , you have to be able to think for yourself, just a little bit.

We can't criticise the American voting system when the UK allows a party to get 4 million votes and only one MP.

Then another gets less than 1.5 million votes and 56 seats in Parliament.

And we think we've got democracy in the UK?

Now wonder there are plenty of commies like anxious left in politics.

Crippen promise me one thing never ever call me a Conservative or a Redneck

anx I would bet what you know about Rudy Giuliani could be written on the back of a stamp, you just chuck the word redneck about at things you don't like without even knowing what it means.

Skin disease?? I think you'll find it refers to farmers and such getting sunburnt necks.

Southern working class anx, you know working class which you are so proud to be.

Yes Burton I am aware of that but because they were that poor they thanked the Lord that art least they weren't blacks who they perceived to be at the very bottom and utter trash

It was the hick that was lured out on a xenophobic ticket, not dissimilar to the way labour were targeted by ukip over here.
The bottomline is they were lied to on both occasions.

Burton even though I was born and live in a working class city I do not allow the colour of my skin to think I am superior to anybody

I have more in common with poor blacks in Moss side than I do with middle class white people in cheshire

did the republicans take to the streets because 90% of black people voted for obama on the promise of policies that would help black people

I have more in common with poor blacks in Moss side than I do with middle class white people in cheshire

yes I worked that out for myself

Crippen promise me one thing never ever call me a Conservative or a Redneck Laugh

Well you're not smart enough to be a conservative and too idle to be called a redneck

Which confirms my suspicions of anxious - he's a Pinko at least.

why are you thick if you hope 350 million could be spent on the health service,but wordly and bright if you belive gideon and camereon were going to clear the defecit in 5 years

Pellegra!!

especially when the so called thicko,s said it couldnt be done

Crippen you can insult me all day I really don't mind , I know it gets your daily frustrations out of yourself

Do people really believe that the poor will have a better life by turning on each other , that's exactly what divide and conquer is all about

I must apologise if you found it insulting anxious.

I wasn't meant as a insult.

It was intended as a matter of fact.

Again Crippen whatever as long as your frustration and tension is released , that's the main thing its got to come out of you some way

There is a really good programme on BBC I player about the USA Presidency.

Rich Hall's Presidential Grudge Match.

Makes you realise that compared to previous Presidents Trump is quite tame.

According to her supporters she lost because..

She's a woman
The voters are racist
The voters haven't been to university
The voters are white.

I tell ya now.  The media and liberal types like bonny greer are whipping it up - make no mistake.  I was wondering if there will be condemnation of the rioting ?