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at the very very begining there was nothing.
at the very very begining there was nothing.
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Mr Ebulgery.
I'm not against science - i am merely pointing out that you rely on it too much, the Big Bang theory creator - Georges Lemaître(Belgian priest) could think for himself. All of science laughed at his theory - Einstein laughed. the priest obviously had read the bible. 'god stretched out the heavens like a scroll' changing metaphor into a modern theory. (see bbc4 iplayer-the beginning and end of the universe hosted by Professor Jim Al-Khalili ) atheists always point out inconsistencies in the bible - take out the beam in your own eye first? Science is becoming a competing religion. I turned the tables and pointed out some inconstancy about holy science and you cry - why? science has been good you say. why are you painting it black. double standard much? |
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You called me Mr
 , Zorro, that is an improvementYou think Lemaître...contradicted Einstein, because of the Bible? I do not think so, he had used physics and maths. Einstein complemented him on his maths, but said his physics was atrocious....even Einstein could be wrong. I suppose if people attack your religion, you feel it is right to attack science, so ok I suppose I believe in science totally, as for religion I would like to believe, but I would still not drop my science belief. They would have to work together, as Lemaitre thought, I like him very much ... |
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I've watched Horizon since I was a little oink. James Burke lectures and Carl Sagan were always on in the background, I love science. I build my own computers. I used HTML as part of my course in Graphic design. I was at one time going to do a computer science course but decided to do the graphics course instead. I watch Cosmos all the time. I was a devout atheist for twenty-five years. my head was turned on to Christianity as I tried to disprove this wacky nonsense to my brother. But I soon realized that is a mistake. It stands up to scrutiny. I believe because of science and reason - not because I've got faith.
We're on Betfair and the odds support a creator. Fraces Crick's observations are one instance and that in itself should be enough (10 to the poer of 260) but there are hundreds of scientific reasons that line up to a creator. with equally forboding odds. multiply them together? would you back a thousand to one in Betfair very often? why not? 560 years before Christ Daniel saw a vision - “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.” Daniel 9:24-26 (NASB) http://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-the-correct-calculation-of-daniels-69-weeks/ one week is missing - only 69 of the 70 weeks were used? a week is 7 years in God's time. Jesus completed the first part of Isaiah, the second part dealing with God's vengeance is still to come. Luke 4:17-21New International Version (NIV) 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him(JESUS). Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor. Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Jesus famously stopped at a comma in Isaiah's text. the rest will be fulfilled when he returns. he was cut off... ......To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. Isaiah 61. |
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For the umpteenth time, the Bible is a book written by ignorant men and doesn't contain one single significant insight into the nature of the universe. If it contains anything that seems to accord with modern thinking, it is at the most banal level and dwarfed by the utter nonsense contained in its covers.
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a week is 7 years in god`s time...horse manure detector started to twitch here.
how did we come to this conclusion? a quote from the Bible might be a start saying that instead of saying seven years god will mean seven days, except when it dosn`t and a day means a day and a year means a year.... |
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the Bible is a book written by very intelligent people, very beautiful and maybe the greatest work of literature ever produced. It contains many very important insights into the nature of things, to say it is banal must be one of the stupidest things ever said.
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to say it is banal must be one of the stupidest things ever said
It might be, but I didn't say that. |
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yes i know, you said that where it connects with modern thinking, and i assume you mean scientific ideas it is only on a basic level? assuming you meant basic instead of banal.
they are not the same thing, this is what i meant. |
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so you have also used the term ignorant men to describe the writers of the Bible. and that its thought and ideas and view of the world is banal in comparison to modern man.
but then again look at the book of Genesis. how closely the description and the timeline of events of the formation of the world corresponds to modern scientific theory of evolution and how the world was formed...2000 years before Darwin |
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3000 years?
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Genesis is precisely the kind of writing that I was referring to. A child could make up that creation story from their observations of the world. eg rain comes from the "heavens" so they must be made of water. The order of creation is patently incorrect. The egocentric view of the world as the centre of everything quite plainly displayed. The sun and moon described as "lights" and created after the earth.
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from the creation of light through to the formation of the land and the sea and the grass and herbs and trees on the land and the fish and sea creatures and then the larger animals on land and finally on the 6th day man was created.
everything in there as described by evolutionary scientists and in pretty much the correct order, this is quite a good trick to manage 3000 years before Darwin |
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In the beginning there was potential.
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cretins - it's metaphorical. it's for readers in the first century AD as well as the 21st century. When it mentions a place name for instance it mentions the original name not the current name at present (at the time of writing)
the men writing it are of their time. they aren't 21st century scientists. If you were from the first century and you saw a airplane in the sky - how might you describe it. They lived their lives without programming from the boob tube, without LSD and Gameboy. You are the mentally defective generations. Images are beamed at you at 24 frames a second and you wonder why you have a headache? you eat slurry and wonder why you have acid reflux. You don't even know what sex you are anymore. you are proud of you iniquity. as Beyonce sung in her album Leomonade - 'I plugged my menses with pages of the holy book' - keep the flashing images coming darling. It takes a lot to penetrate their noggins. |
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If people decide to be non-believers that is their choice.
But I ask this question... If your parents gave life to you , then who gave you a conscience & spirit ? Our parents didn't give us that.... |
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Maybe not..... But my mom & dad did give me a second hand Hillman Avenger on my 21st birthday
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The answer's 42.
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dave1357 • September 7, 2016 8:18 AM BST
For the umpteenth time, the Bible is a book written by ignorant men and doesn't contain one single significant insight into the nature of the universe. If it contains anything that seems to accord with modern thinking, it is at the most banal level and dwarfed by the utter nonsense contained in its covers. The Bible was written by 40 authors who wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years. These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (see 2 Timothy 3:16-17). [1] Moses was the first person to write portions of Scripture while John, the disciple of Jesus, was the last. Other famous people who wrote the Bible include: David, Daniel, Peter, Paul, Jonah, Isaiah, Solomon and David. None of them asked to be chosen. God chose them because of they're pure heart... We as humans ( Flesh ) can only try to see into another persons heart. God knows a persons true heart and see's their ( Spirit) also. |
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These Bible writers wrote as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit (see 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Cyclical argument, refer to a passage in the book to claim proof of something about the book. The Holy Spirit is a creation of the human mind with no evidence for it's existence. None of them asked to be chosen. God chose them because of they're pure heart... We as humans ( Flesh ) can only try to see into another persons heart. God knows a persons true heart and see's their ( Spirit) also. Bunkum |
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It was as if time and space had been frozen by the tinkly magic of the Guru's voice. Little did they know that this curious event would lead Wubble-U to the true meaning of love, life & the joys of an english summer - as in "Petal", their blindingly superb single available on GO!Discs. "Thats the last bleedin' time we borrow bamboo cane from any old fridge freezer," remarked Deptford, "'E's really lost the farkin' plot mate."
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May I ask then... If you was on trial in a court and you may be required to give evidence for the prosecution as a result of either being a victim of or a witness to a crime, or you could be asked to give evidence for the defence.
Would you lie knowing you've taken the oath / Bible by the judge ? |
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Surely someone who does not believe in God or his word in the Bible would have no regrets lying under oath ?
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God says not to make oaths - the court system allows for individuals that do not want to take the jury duty oath to do something else.
the bible says you have no power to fulfill any promise. i think you can give your word that you will try to complete a task, but you cannot promise. promises get broken. |
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I would not lie in court as I would have given my word that I would speak the truth.
I have been a member of a jury and gave my word in lieu of swearing on the bible. It is well documented that many people have lied after swearing an oath on the bible or other holy book. If you need the fear of god to act honourably then what does that say about you? |
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Fionavon that is a lie - bold faced lie. (are you working for satan?)
Jesus - John 15:26-27Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) 26 “I will send you the Helper from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father. When he comes, he will tell about me. And you will tell people about me too, because you have been with me from the beginning. Pentecost - the holy spirit descended on the apostles, tongues of flame above their heads. They spoke in tongues, every language understood. ---------------- At Jesus' baptist with John, the dove is the holy spirit, God bestows his blessing on Jesus. All three aspects of God are there at once. the trinity - Godhead. |
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It's not a lie, zorro, it's a difference of opinion. You choose to believe the bible stories, I don't.
Satsn doesn't exist so how can I be working for him? |
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Fionavon - this is a fallen world - you expect too much from people - everyone is condemned under the law. No man is innocent. Many a FIEND has hidden behind a bible. Satan knows every word of the bible. there are religious demons that dissect it to find passages to use against the faithful.
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I have a good idea of how corrupt this world is. Nothing to do with demons or satan just a result of human greed and vanity.
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here are men that take oaths - the freemasons
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.” ‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree. ---------------------- these men make the laws you live by. Satan worshippers. Satan owns this world until Christ takes it back. |
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General Albert Pike, Grand Commander, sovereign pontiff of universal freemasonry, giving instructions to the 23 supreme councils of the world.
“That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the luciferian doctrine. If lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil” Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et L’enfant dans La Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, Page 588. Cited from ‘The question of freemasonry, ( 2nd edition 1986 by Edward Decker pp12-14) |
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They say evil is good and good evil -
the pawnee indians (USA) sacrificed young women to their God. The god of the morning star. this is a title given to Satan(google god of the morning star). How does a tribe of indians, isolated from other cultures know about Satan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_mythology |
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All primitive societies invented creation myths and gods of good and evil. Many had a god for just about everything. The surprising thing is that most people still indulge in this form of hallucination and maintain that their particular brand is the only true one.
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that's a stretch - they use a name that's in the bible.
How do you feel being ruled by men in aprons across the world that create the laws? that restrict every freedom you think you have? It's not a church doing that? There are many on this forum that would join their ranks to get ahead in life? I had a few uncles in the freemasons. Just to get a better job. George Washington was a mason. |
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I think you'll find that's just an interpretation made by Christians. They refer to Morning Star as male, whereas the morning star is another name for Venus (female) in Western mythology.
I don't know anything about the masons but from what you tell me it seems to be organised like a religion and is another self-serving community. I would need to listen to both sides of the argument in order to make up my mind about them. |
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You never told us what momentous event happened at Passover this year. You said that something was going to happen. Perhaps I shouldn't ask.
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you seem to think because there are 3000 gods that they are all fake. that's logical. but Satan isn't going to sit on his hands and do nothing to spite God.
He took a third of the angels with him. An angel is a god in this world. a living atomic bomb. he does not have wings, there are no lady angels.It's not some tv show - touched by an angel? they tried to contaminate man's bloodlines at the time of Noah. by creating demi gods.(greek gods, 1500 bc) God flooded the earth to drown them. all he did was thin their numbers. Tares among Wheat 24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy(satan) came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves *said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ But he *said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’” Tares are oat weeds, that take the nourishment out of the soil meant for the wheat(the good crop) Satan sows false beliefs and religions as a way of competing with the true church of philidelphia. this is a war that's been raging for millenia. Satan creates a new false religion and belief system every year. where do you hide a tree? |
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I'll be ok then 'cos I'm a coeliac, which means I can't eat wheat, rye, barley, oats and (sadly) hops!
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a level one(astronomy website's words) celestial meeting of the moon with Jupiter and venus on passover.
this year is the end of the land lease. Grace period is over. |