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God or no god ... where's the evidence?
God or no god ... where's the evidence?
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Dare I ask a different question ?
For the non believers of God. Is there a Devil or no Devil ? |
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Can't be proven one way or the other, has a similar probability to the existence of god which is vanishingly small. Another human invention to frighten the lower orders into submission, in my opinion.
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I also ask this question.
A complete stranger will run into a burning building to save someone they've never met before knowing full well they will probably die trying. A family man who has never shown any anger or aggression returns home one day and murders the entire family with no motive. We all know both the above have happened before. Can someone explain that to me please ? I believe in Good and Evil 100% |
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it would be a bit unfair on people who have led perfect lives and done great things to be screwed because they were born into a different religion etc. they would have never had a chance.
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People fear dying.
Now, if there was only some way we could promise them that everything is going to be ok and that they will be with their loved ones once they pass. Hang on, there is? Yeah of course there is, u see there was this guy named Jesus who died for you.... All we ask in return is that you join our club, abide by our rules, make a donation when u can and we can ensure you that when u die you will go to heaven, see all your loved ones and let me tell u it is absolute paradise, no pain, only happiness and beauty as far as the ye can see. One caveat, if you dont abide by our rules youll go to hell, the worst place you can ever imagine, knives, fire for eternity. Sounds legit! |
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Oh and please feel free to change 'Jesus' for the name of the appropriate Messiah of your favourite religion.
Night all. |
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Carl Jung on whether he believes in God or not...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ25Ai__FYU I want to get to that level. |
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Dawkins provides the answers to these questions from a scientific context in his books.
Virgin Mary was mistakenly referred to as a virgin (he actually says where it happens but I forget the exact detail, but it was down to one word that was translated for the umpteenth time in Greek that meant something totally different) now bare with me because I'm summarising what he actually takes chapters to explain and this is from memory. Humans make the mistakes or projecting false information due to their own erroneous perception about what life is. Evolution isn't about things 'wanting' to live or wanting to evolve, it's about it being the ones that do survive (you don't see the ones that don't) The question of 'what is alive' is a human one based on themselves, but they themselves are a collection of what he calls 'the security machine' (what we would call the human) and the security machine is a collection of evolved parts (eyes, brain, heart and lungs) that evolved over time to defend the re production of the gene. What is essentially being said is that things simply find the easiest route, nothing chooses to live, and what constitutes being alive is wrong, since bacteria is as much alive as humans. We simply have wrongly humanised everything. The central point is that everything is simply about the gene, it provides everything you will need, and is also responsible for filling you in the end when your potency of reproduction of a strong version is past. The gene infact lives forever, so in a way although you are merely a vehicle for it then a part of you does (that's trying to be romantic, in truth it's simply you being a brief part of it and it lives forever) The question of self sacrifice is a simple one, it's about a subconscious calculation done within a millisecond about the worth of saving another gene. It's long to explain but summed up as the probability of closeness of relation. You thing it doesn't happen? Well think of what happens when you catch a flying ball, your brain does some pretty tricky calculations automatically. |
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What's your background dustybin? I assume it's not in the refuge collecting industry
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Innovation SH.
Which is essentially problem solving I suppose, but I'm not interested in novels and read mainly non fiction. This is what I think. Parts of the jigsaw have been revealed by some pretty erudite individuals spending lifetimes solving problems of science with little help. It's laudable but incomplete. It could very well be that science as a rule disproves myth as it goes revealing truth....until the very last piece (the 'why' as to the rules of science being set the way they are) and actually revealing ultimately that it does indeed have the fingerprints of a creator. But I've got a theory of my own; what if there isn't any rules at all? We perceive there to be finite laws but time didn't suddenly allow the invention of TVs when they came about, time didn't suddenly allow James watt the license to harbour steam potential.....they were always possible and within the realms from day one....and so might the 'laws' allow for anything in the end? |
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Incidentally, the word mistaken for Virgin was allegedly 'young woman' (in Greek)
Foin- " That's known as Pascal's wager, Senyatta If there really were an all knowing god then surely he would see through that brand of cynicism. " That's pretty much bang on (I'd heard of Pascal's wager before) I've always been of the belief that had religion got it correct then the logic doesn't stand up. If God created man and acknowledges him to be fallible then he can't blame him for his short comings when all the 'tricks' and tactile evidence was so selectively provided to those around 2000 years ago but we arnt given the same help. If he allowed mans mis-interpretation to flourish, then surely he can't blame those who as a result fail descrambled the truth due to it being too cryptic an equation, even when their intentions were honourable. |
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Good morning Dustybin. The prophesy of the birth of Emmanuel was made in Isaiah 7.14 which was originally written in Hebrew and contained the word alma meaning young woman without implications of virginity. This was translated into the Greek word parthenos in the New Testament which does imply virginity. On the perpetuation of this mistranslation hangs the virgin story so dear to the Catholic church.
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Hello,
Well done Foinavon, I knew the roundabouts of it but thank you for the detail. |
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You're welcome Dustybin.
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Incidentally. I don't think Matthew himself believed in the virgin birth otherwise why would he have taken the trouble to write the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph going back through umpteen generations?
The Jesus story isn't original and closely mirrors the story of Horus in Egyptian mythology. |
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Evidence of God? Oh dear, you unfortunate non-believers! All the evidence you seek shall be visited upon you on your own Day pf Judgement. By when, of course, it`ll be too late.
REPENT NOW!!! |
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Wonderful stuff timbuctooth
.I shall remember you on that day...or not, as the case may be. |
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I've always thought that if I do not believe in god (I don't) , yet lead a 'christian' life (generally living decently, caring, helping etc) then even if there is a god and heaven, then god will let me in.
How we all laugh at the Muslim suicide bombers thinking they will get a shed load of virgins when they die? It isn't that different to the Christian belief of heaven. |
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Jack H
my sentiments exactly ... No god, BUT live a good life and follow christian values (without the paedophilia, obviously) |
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paedos everywhere, unfortunately. doctors,lawyers,fathers. some are religious others are not. never understood paedos. what exactly is the attraction?
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mememe,
Cheeky! I am no expert but those tenets are probably common in Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam etc. |
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In the beginning God started everything,or nothing started everything,take your pick,but one easier to believe that the other.As I said take your pick.
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God v nothing.the universe had to come from somewhere.
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in fact its a paradox ,if there is no god there was no beginning ,because something can not be created from nothing.
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Why did there have to be nothing? Perhaps that's the false assumption. Who is to say there wasn't something before the universe started to inflate. Why call it god? Did it have god like properties? And if so what were they?
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The good thing about Christianity, apart from the fact that it isn't a religion (in the popular usage of the word), is that there is only one God, so you know where you stand. The religion called atheism, on the other hand, has more gods than any other religion, since every atheist is his or her own god.
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before the big bang there had to be something,because science says you can not create something out of nothing,if there were nothing and the big bang occurred it means that science books can be thrown in the waste paper bin as their first law of creation goes out the window.so by proving the big bang occurred from nothing destroys the principle law of science.
meaning to prove science correct if there were no god it would be necessary to invent one to prove sciences principal law correct. the word god in science is not the same as the bible god,it is just a word to allow science to have a get out clause. The science world will never prove that something was created from nothing because if they do they defeat the very profession they stand for .in other words they shoot themselves and the very foundation of science. |
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A scandanavian scientist posed a question to the science world in 1929 regards the expanding universe.As you know science stand by their theory that the universe is expanding into nothing.
The scientists question was that if it was possible to go to the edge of the expanding universe and stick his arm out in front of him where would his arm go.? the question remains unanswered 86 years later and nobody has made an attempt to answer it. |
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So for my next trick I will give you Brassnecks next theory.
I suggest that the universe we live in is shaped like a doughnut.NOW LETS SEE WHO CAN PROVE THIS THEORY INCORRECT. |
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Science has a paradox eh?
Who created God? Creationists' version of a paradox is ignorance. |
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As I said earlier .. The Roman commander who said religion is dangerous was right. Religion in the wrong hands is dangerous.
There is no evidence to prove God actually existence is real. You either believe or you don't believe. I can tell you this from my own experience my Dad doesn't believe. His reason ? His mother died giving birth to him and his father doesn't even know he exists as he was a love child. So he says if there was a God why did that happen. I cannot give him a reason. But I do believe in God and a kingdom of heaven and would never push that onto anyone else. |
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'In the beginning God started everything,or nothing started everything,take your pick,but one easier to believe that the other.As I said take your pick.Confused'
Errrr…hard to argue with that logic….  And God has always been around??!! |
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The mistake that some scientists and people who do not beli eve in something like god make is in thinking that life is possible. It is not possible anywhere in the universe and indeed from a scientific point of view not possible on earth
It is also not possible for this universe to be the only physical thing that exists. |
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You going to clarify that statement this time?
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Why would God allow a anagram Dog?
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Isn't asking the same question again and again and hoping for a different answer the definition of insanity? Mmmmm therefore you are all insane!
Yet again, the proof of God lies in the life death and resurrection of Jesus. The evidence of God lies in the lives of Christians today who live out Jesus teaching. If you want to see this evidence, you need to seek it out by going to a church and speaking to people. And it's going to take more than 1 visit! If you can;t be bothered or don;t want to do that, stop asking for evidence - just because you choose not to look at it doesn;t mean its not there. |
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You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.
This is what atheists tell themselves to make themselves more comfortable with reasonable people being christians. IT isn;t true though  we believe in a historical figure and in the accuracy of the accounts about his life. The reason I believe this is because I researched the writers, their work and their background and see no reason to doubt the integrity of their accounts. The world comes up with a thousand reasons why not to believe the gospels, so much so that I imagine most reading this will point blank refuse to read one word of it but none of these reasons stand up to much scrutiny. try it for yourselves..... |
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well thats that one sorted then
thank fk for fkqmz  |
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I was going to write a rude word in response to fkqmz, along the lines of bullsh1 te...but I won't just in case he's right and make do with poppycock!
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I am now a believer but also still very gullible
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