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By:
Franzi
When: 31 Jul 16 23:14
Aftertiming, of course, but seemed to me obvious this was not authentic from about 15 mins in. The authenticated Rodin Cambodian dancer sketches are not as well executed - the faker did too good a job (which, for me, probably rules out Durig).

Most of this edition was filler, and largely a waste of time.
By:
mokegibboni
When: 01 Aug 16 02:08
spellingandgrammarcheck - 'I've got a fake Rolex that cost a fiver in Hong Kong about 15/16 years ago.

Keeps perfect time, and looks so good that a Mancunian lad at the Grand National meeting a few years ago, wanted to buy it from me. He was with 4 mates, and I didn't fancy getting my head kicked in after racing, so I told him how to spot the difference.

I get the battery changed at a stall in the local market, as no jewellery shop will do it.'



spellingandgrammarcheck - I bet you the battery cost more than the watch!
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 01 Aug 16 19:20
...does the real rolex have a smooth sweeping second hand. ??Wink

   always a chance of getting mugged for these fakes imo....  saw a guy have a gun pointed at him when i was in ireland once ( for a fake )

   he couldnt get it off quick enough..  Laugh
By:
Rockinron
When: 02 Aug 16 16:33
Love the program ...cos I'm cultured ...know wot I mean Wink
By:
1st time poster
When: 02 Aug 16 17:10
dont think a manc would murder you for giving you a handful of dodgey 20,s, Wink
By:
padlock
When: 10 Aug 16 05:51
Was this on last weekend? Cant find ep 4 ??
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 10 Aug 16 07:01
It wasn't on, Padlock.
By:
padlock
When: 11 Aug 16 05:49
Ok thx for info,i was abroad lastweek ...
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 19 Aug 16 17:40
Back on Sunday 9pm BBC 1.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 19 Aug 16 17:44
Excited
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 19 Aug 16 17:52
Portraits Fiona Bruce and art expert Philip Mould try to uncover the truth behind three mysterious portraits. The paintings in question are that of a child, thought to have been painted by modern artist Willem de Kooning, the image of a lady, considered the work of 18th-century society painter Philip Mercier, and a portrait of an old general, attributed to the 19th-century German master Adolph von Menzel. The investigation forces the duo to embark on a worldwide quest, taking them from Miami, Florida, to Berlin and a small town in Belgium. Last in the series.

Sounds all right.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 19 Aug 16 19:12
Really looking forward to it. It will be very relaxing after all the excitement of Rio.
By:
Ramruma
When: 21 Aug 16 10:08
9pm tonight (unless Rio overruns, presumably).

From the Radio Times blurb:

... three mysterious portraits. The paintings in question are that of a child, thought to have been painted by modern artist Willem de Kooning, the image of a lady, considered the work of 18th-century society painter Philip Mercier, and a portrait of an old general, attributed to the 19th-century German master Adolph von Menzel.

http://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/fbhb8g/fake-or-fortune--s5-e4-portraits
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 22 Aug 16 13:07
This was really good. Don't forget to watch it if you missed it last night.
By:
cooperman
When: 22 Aug 16 13:17
Any programme featuring Fiona Bruce speaking French is a must see in my bookLove
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 22 Aug 16 13:21
I love Fiona Love
By:
Ramruma
When: 22 Aug 16 21:31
The portrait of the old general put me in mind of the first Dr Who. I think it was the hair and the angle of the face.
By:
Ramruma
When: 22 Aug 16 21:33
What did seem odd was the three-way conversation with the German expert, who spoke in German, and Bendor and the owner, in English.
By:
cooperman
When: 23 Aug 16 12:26
The old general one looked more like a Native American to me.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 18 Aug 17 19:47
New series starts this Sunday - BBC1 7.05pm.

Happy days! Excited
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 20 Aug 17 19:13
That was the best one yet! Happy

Sadly no Bendor Sad
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Aug 17 20:05
Bring back Bendor!

It shows what an eye Philip Mould has, that he had been convinced by this painting decades ago even though he could not prove it,

My lingering doubt was that provenance stopped at Thomas Barratt ("the father of modern advertsing") of Pear's Soap but then, right at the end, the expert took it back to Christie's and Constable's son.
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Aug 17 21:01
^ Perhaps the programmes's producer, and researchers, did it that way to add a bit more theatre to the final decision.... they having continued the provenance search all the way themselves - (off camera, though)
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Aug 17 21:26
Entirely possible, though of course these are experts.

The only false note is Fiona telling Philip (and Bendor) what ... well, anything at all really. Don't get me wrong -- I like Fiona as a presenter but suspect a man who has been one of London's top art dealers for at least 20 years probably knows a bit more about the game than she does.
By:
onlooker
When: 21 Aug 17 00:44
Bendor is the super-sleuth.

Much missed if he has been dropped from the show.
By:
cooperman
When: 21 Aug 17 06:27
Can't believe they'd give Bendor the Spanish Archer. Always reminded me of a youthful Sherlock Holmes, processing the facts before announcing the fait accompli.
By:
Ramruma
When: 21 Aug 17 08:35
Bendor did front a similar, spin-off show a little while back, looking for sleepers in public art collections, now you come to mention it.
By:
Ramruma
When: 02 Sep 17 14:58
Fake or Fortune goes to Australia on Sunday.


Fiona Bruce and art expert Philip Mould travel to Australia to verify whether a painting bought from an English auction site is a lost work by impressionist Tom Roberts, one of the country's most important artists. The owners have fallen on hard times, and desperately need to prove the painting is genuine. The investigation leads them to retrace the time Roberts spent in Britain and uncovers some alarming forgeries.
By:
Ramruma
When: 04 Sep 17 06:33
Tom Roberts. Joe, the owner, seemed like a broken man. He'd fallen a long way: once mayor, now bankrupt and apparently homeless. High stakes on paper but tbh I soon got bored of him moping through the programme. Rosanna was more animated but was a foil for Philip Mould, as she enthusiastically echoed back whatever he'd just told her. Better than his addressing every remark to Fiona or just the camera, I suppose. Bendor should return -- the programme needs the variety of the third presenter.

The use of graphics to emphasise and clarify the brush strokes was a nice touch.

A nice travelogue for Australia, as well. And that restaurant was stunning.
By:
Zsa_Zsa_Gabors_Leg
When: 04 Sep 17 07:46
One bendor in this show is enough
By:
Ramruma
When: 04 Sep 17 09:01
One bendor in this show is enough

Eh? Bendor is not on the show this series: that's the complaint. I believe he may return on the spin-off programme.
By:
cooperman
When: 04 Sep 17 10:27
Joe, the owner needed to grow a pair. Him and his wife were both working, able to rent a house and appeared to be well dressed and groomed. Loss of status appeared to be the reason he was walking round with a face like a smacked @rse. He had a lovely wife and family but still wanted to be a big shot.
By:
Ramruma
When: 04 Sep 17 10:58
One thing that struck me was the painting had been sent from Australia directly to Philip at his gallery in Mayfair, rather than going via the BBC: probably safer that way.
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Sep 17 14:49
bet when it goes on sale the auctioneer doesn't say the RENOWNEWD TOM ROBERTS EXPERT THINKS THE PAINTING OF THE MAN IN THIS PICTURE IS ABSOLUTE SHOITE, LaughLaugh
By:
onlooker
When: 04 Sep 17 20:45
When Fiona interviewed the deciding lady expert, at the end of the show - the Expert's all round negativity towards the painting, often emphasised, would have sent Fake to around 1.3  were there a Market on here.
By:
Ramruma
When: 10 Sep 17 10:14
Gauguin tonight. Two of them.
By:
onlooker
When: 10 Sep 17 19:15
September 10th edition

Opening show.

8/15 Fake - The Sketch

8/11 Fake - The Painting.

However -I would imagine- given the programme format - One will be Fake, and one authentic.
By:
onlooker
When: 10 Sep 17 19:33
Evens - The Sketch
By:
Ramruma
When: 10 Sep 17 19:39
That escalated quickly: the Nazis' Black Book or Sonderfahndungsliste G.B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book
By:
Ramruma
When: 10 Sep 17 19:42
@onlooker -- However -I would imagine- given the programme format - One will be Fake, and one authentic.

I don't think it works like that. The BBC can't know the outcome in advance, when it selects the paintings for investigation, surely?
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