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By:
onlooker
When: 10 Sep 17 21:02
No - Ramruna - What I intimate is that ALL investigations will be filmed - WITH their outcomes - and then the BBC decide in which ORDER/programme composition to show them.
By:
Ramruma
When: 10 Sep 17 21:16
@onlooker -- could be; it is noticeable there is no overlap between the pictures in this programme.
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Sep 17 15:08
why are all of these shows been repeated on prime tv less than a year after they were 1st shown, not much of a show when you no the answers before the show starts like repeating quiz shows,pointless
By:
Slicer
When: 11 Sep 17 15:25
I actually own a Gaugin and a Stradivarius. The problem is Stradivarius couldn't paint and Gaugin couldn't make violins!
By:
duffy
When: 11 Sep 17 16:16
Saw what you did there posterGrin
By:
duffy
When: 11 Sep 17 16:18
Slicer

The irony is that they would probably still be worth a tidy sum if they had made them.Grin
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 11 Sep 17 19:14
Good to see Dennis Price is alive and well....

but I don't like his new blond hair look.
By:
cooperman
When: 12 Sep 17 02:05
Can't have been pleasant for Fiona to handle his sketches knowing he was a nonce.
By:
onlooker
When: 12 Sep 17 11:27
Fiona got the bowl of fruit ..... in the other painting
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Sep 17 14:28
I've never seen the attraction of those "art school" still life paintings. Call me an old philistine but if I wanted to look at a bowl of fruit, I'd nip down the greengrocers. But of course, it is only the artist's name that makes the pencil sketch interesting, let alone valuable.

One of the BBC art shows sent amateur dauber and Liverpool/West Ham/etc goalkeeper David James to an exhibition once, and he questioned the inclusion of sketches: if I'm having a kick-about with my son, is that me being a footballer or me being a dad?
By:
cooperman
When: 12 Sep 17 14:57
Artists use sketches like songwriters, authors, poets write down words or phrases which at a later date will be a useful reference for the completed work. As for philosophical statements about art, David James ffs! Laugh I must ask Philip Mould if he thinks zonal marking could improve England's chances in the World Cup.Mischief
By:
1st time poster
When: 12 Sep 17 16:59
almost certainly, Laugh
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Sep 17 17:27
The other odd thing, never explained, was why Guagin's peaches looked like oranges, or was it the other way round?

Maybe in hindsight that should have been a clue. In next week's programme, if they can't tell if the painting is of sunflowers or roses, it might not be a genuine Van Gogh. Happy
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 13 Sep 17 20:03
I've just watched it. Very enjoyable.
By:
Ramruma
When: 17 Sep 17 08:12
Renoir tonight.
By:
Ramruma
When: 17 Sep 17 10:08
Hold on -- this is a repeat Sad

So be careful if the missus wants to bet in-running.
By:
Ramruma
When: 17 Sep 17 10:24
A bit of sleuthing finds this tweet from Philip Mould.

Next week's #fakeorfortune(Giacometti) is postponed pending further investigations.

https://twitter.com/philipmould/status/906992186687983616

Curiouser and curiouser. I hope the Giacometti owner has not already spent the money or put his foot through the painting Crazy
By:
Zsa_Zsa_Gabors_Leg
When: 17 Sep 17 20:20
Bendor is back in da house!!

Is Philip a bendor??
By:
onlooker
When: 17 Sep 17 20:52
^ Now, now -

Philip lives with his wife Catherine and son Oliver.
By:
onlooker
When: 17 Sep 17 21:04
The "rivalry," (between the Art Houses - not unexpected, of course) - was an illuminating aspect of this edition.

And not a surprising one, either - given the arrogance and impatience of the Wildenstein family as racehorse OWNERS - when they changed Trainers, who could did not produce Classic winner 'on demand, faster than they changed their minds ...

- or, in this instance, predictably, stubbornly refused to change their mind.
By:
mokegibboni
When: 18 Sep 17 13:14
Yes, one of my favourite TV programmes on at the moment. I do like the Antiques Roadshow, but this is better I think.
By:
cooperman
When: 18 Sep 17 14:36
I would be more than happy to allow Dr. Aviva Burnstock (Courtaulds Institute) to examine my Old Master.Love
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Sep 17 14:49
off course someone could always call the would be sellers bluff,mould said it was worth 300 grand plus and the price likely to increase as the years go by, so if someone took a chance and offered her say 50 grand maybe rising to a 100 grand do you think they,d be tempted,and if they were would that cast further doubt on the picture,
you see it all the time in the auctions copies that if genuine would be worth 1000,s but are almost worthless but people pay a mid range price for them as if there nearly right
By:
Ramruma
When: 23 Sep 17 16:48
Bendor is back with a new series of the spin-off show, Britain's Lost Masterpieces, Wednesday, 9pm BBC4.

Radio Times:
For the first programme they are on the scent of a possible Rubens, a portrait of George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham, the sometime gay lover of James VI of Scotland (James I of England). Bendor believes a painting put in storage by a Glasgow museum might have the makings of an international art-world scoop.
By:
Ramruma
When: 24 Sep 17 05:48
And the result of Bendor's investigation is all over the news, three days before the programme is shown.
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Oct 17 12:28
President Trump's Renoir looks a fitting subject for the next series.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4995436/Chicago-museum-says-Renoir-Trump-s-NYC-apartment-FAKE.html
By:
Ramruma
When: 17 Jul 18 19:11
Philip Mould has tweeted:

New series starts 8pm on 12th of August. Artists in the dock include Henry Moore, Toulouse Lautrec, Giacometti, William Nicholson.

https://twitter.com/philipmould/status/1017846738625941506
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 17 Jul 18 19:31
Thanks, Ramruna Grin

It looks like the episode they couldn't show from the last series will be shown in this one.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 17 Jul 18 19:32
Ramruma*
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 12 Aug 18 18:31
... back tonight. !!!
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 12 Aug 18 18:37
.. 9-0 bbc 1. Happy
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 12 Aug 18 20:35
I'm looking forward to this but I will have to record it and watch it tomorrow, as I will be watching Unforgotten. Unforgotten has been brilliant, best thing on in ages.

I will have to avoid this thread until I've caught up with Fake or Fortune.
By:
blackbarn
When: 12 Aug 18 20:59
William Nicholson tonight, father of Ben Nicholson who was the husband of Barbara Hepworth. William was nearly as much of a genius as his son, but is much less well known.
By:
blackbarn
When: 12 Aug 18 21:01
No spoilers from me, MakybeCool    Well, not any othersBlush
By:
kenny mann
When: 12 Aug 18 21:08
Peter Egan, who had a small part in this last week, is one of the nicest kindest men in the world.
By:
kenny mann
When: 12 Aug 18 21:09
Unforgotten, that is.
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Aug 18 23:55
Well, that was ... ah, but we are avoiding spoilers for the Unforgotten crowd. Avoid the BBC News page as well.

The owner's flat! It would be a tight squeeze but I reckon you could just about fit a 5-a-side pitch in there.

And the grandson's (?) home with all those pictures!
By:
Franzi
When: 13 Aug 18 02:20
It was so satisfying as the favourable evidence accumulated piece by piece adding up to an irrefutable case for restoring the attribution. Twitter suggests further corroborating facts were available but inclusion was simply unnecessary. Marvellous television (except for the stupid swipe screen effects), and a triumph for careful research.
By:
onlooker
When: 13 Aug 18 22:32
As enjoyable as ever - although the adjudicator's reticence  to present her decision in person, somewhat foretold  the finish.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 13 Aug 18 23:09
shame, thought after all the provenance on the back of the picture, coupled with the handwriting expert, it was

a foregone conclusion. not sure how she stands with the auction house that sold it in the first place ?

intresting programme  all the same.
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