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WOLF HALL - BBC 2 - 9PM
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It's almost become a regular thing - watch Wolf Hall then come here for the debate and breakdown of the period via ebul and maleuk.
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I actually am
 . Looking at things he's done I can't remember seeing any of it, and I'm not known for reading theatrical reviews. Just Philistine-ing  But he is very good, so I know what I like :) |
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FlowerMyth • February 20, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
It's almost become a regular thing - watch Wolf Hall then come here for the debate and breakdown of the period via ebul and maleuk. |
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I should say that this is a work of fiction, so as such there can be no winner
Hilary is sticking to known facts, but the story she has created, we may as well be debating over the murder of Lucy Beal |
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Just Checking - Glad to learn you are not a wind up merchant but just an excellent judge (imo!) The bloke's nailed on for a Bafta best actor - been said elsewhere but he can act just with his eyes
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Early Warning for those interested - there's some sort of thingy with Mark Rylance and Hilary Mantel on BBC4 at 10pm, after the last part of the series tonight.
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ta Flower, I shall watch
and then probably come on here giving my historical interpretation as usual |
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There was an extract from the interview "thingy" on Newsnight last night. Quite illuminating, the bit I saw, particularly one of the sources for the stare/eyes. Defo worth a watch.
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I loved this series.Mark Rylance was brilliant. He delivered his lines artfully and spoke volumes with his silences. What it lacked for me was backround, the gossip, the skulduggery ,the plotting for influence was largely absent and we never got the sense that Cromwell was in the kings trust,that he was working at the kings bidding or that the king favoured him at all.
I don't understand the complaint that it was "dark". Every shot was like a period painting. |
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Yes it was very interesting, it was with Mark Rylance and director Peter Kominsky
I thought the final episode was well done The argument over whether Thom as Cromwell was good or bad, remain. If he was bad then downing Thomas More and Anne Boleyn remains small crimes compared to the destruction of the Monasteries If he had not downed Thomas More or Anne Boleyn then someone else would have done, it was Henry's wish. Whether he did right in destroying the monasteries depends if one regards them as helping the poor or exploiting the poor. I take your point Dobbo about showing more of the plotting that went on all round Henry. But then this have would have made this series much longer. They were working to Hilary's Mantel books, which I have not read. I think Hilary Mantel is working on the last part of the Thomas Cromwell trilogy 'The Mirror and The Light' and I assume in time it will be televised. I like Thomas Cromwell because he rose from nothing to be the most powerful man in the Kingdom besides Henry himself. Yes he was streetwise and brutal, but he had to be more than that, a very good judge of people a very intelligent man. |
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I missed tonight as I had a chess match ... but here's a thing - does anyone remeber a BBC play/film in the 1990's caled the Grass Arena about an alcoholic boxer - John Healy - who became a strong chess player once he sobered up in prison ? you can get it on you tube - i was fascinated by it at the time .. the guy who plays John Healy is Mark Rylance
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I swa the Kaminsky / Rylance thing on Newsnight last night ... he does apppear a bit "effected" .. i cant watch these actors actors talking about "brave" and "pain" without thinknig of Team america and the Federation of Actors Guild !
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sorry it was the "F"ilm "A"ctors "G"uild
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Quality - 15/17 fer me...wonder what happened to his sons?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Cromwell,_1st_Baron_Cromwell#Death_and_succession
Died of Natural causes although only 31 |
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Ta!
Watched ANNE OF THE THOUSAND DAYS last night - utter cheesefest compared to Wolf Hall...cinema (now) can't compete with telly IMO. This has got to be the best time for telly ever. I was thinking to myself, "Jeez, only 6 episodes..." but every one was great...whereas I couldn't wait for ANNE OF THE THOUSAND DAYS to end. It was ponderous and overblown. Apparently, Catherine of Aragon had reddish hair, fair complexion and blue eyes, but was played by black haired, dark eyed Irene Papas in the film...and I think Wolf Hall went down that route too, didn't it...? |
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Despite several suggestions on here, Gregory was Thomas Cromwell's ONLY son and despite dying young managed to survive the demise of his father, marry Jane Seymour's sister and leave the families finance and status in very good order. It appears he was very well prepared by his father.
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Despite several suggestions on here, Gregory was Thomas Cromwell's ONLY son and despite dying young managed to survive the demise of his father, marry Jane Seymour's sister and leave the families finance and status in very good order. It appears he was very well prepared by his father.
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Watched 2 episodes of The Six Wives series - Ye Olde 70s series - very different - stagey - but really quite good. The woman who wrote the first episode is still alive in her 90s...she was writing for the Indiana Jones series in her 80s.
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Never heard of that, but I see it was where Keith Michell originally played Henry. Every time I click at random on a clip he seems to always be saying "Now, Madam". Glad to see Henry 8 had his own catchphrase.
Wolf Hall was excellent, I can't imagine it would have worked, though, with the state of technology at the time of the above TV series. |
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I have two episodes left to watch. I'd just like to say (for now) that the humour has surprised me. In fact, it's cracked me up..
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Guinness - are you talking about Six Wives or Wolf Hall?
Yours, Confused of Slamannan. |
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Wolf Hall. Did you miss the humour?
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I did????????
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Then you both need to watch it again. Below is a small extract from a critics review after just episode 1 (seeing as you think i'm a pie short of a picnic)
The dash of humour is what makes Hilary Mantel’s two Booker-winning novels Wolf Hall and Bring Up The Bodies, set in the maelstrom of Tudor politics, so entertaining. |
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And as i said, i've two episodes left to watch yet. Who knows. i may well be giggling uncontrollably by then..
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It may be in the books, but I can not see it the TV version, what is actually funny?
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give us a clue?
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Ebel: the critics review below (even though the books are mentioned) was about the tv drama. Now i don't normally quote critics, but as my chuckle button was brought in question, i thought i'd mention it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2920805/Wolf-Hall-review-plots-murky-cast-simply-dazzling.html There is humour a plenty, for instance, the tête-à-têtes between Rylance and Mr Kiplings granddaughter (stunning performance) are hilarious. |
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Well, Shakey used to have the odd funny bit in the middle of tragedies, to release the tension.
One critic compared Henry VIII and Cromwell's walk n talks to Ted and Sir from The Fast Show. |
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Watched the final episode last night. A terrific series.
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I see it's out on DVD at £18 -- shouldn't License Fee payers get a big discount - buy it for 5 or 6 quid? Feckin' paying for it twice.
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HENRY VIII: Tell me Cromwell, do you like Tina Turner?
CROMWELL: Well, I really wouldn’t know about dat kinda ting, sir. |
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I noticed a trailer the other day for a film with Rylance in it, he's getting a taste for the screen?
He came across a little lovey and affected in that newsnight interview. But still, a great performance, I won't try to take that away from him! |
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I enjoyed the interview nearly as much as the series, I mean I don't mind the luviness so much as it was a series worth talking about. The idea to light it with candles worked really well, it probably wasn't technically possible back in the days of Keith Michell and videotape.
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Yes FlowerMyth I don't want to sound too negative don't get me wrong, just, I was a little disappointed as he went down a tiny notch as I wasn't expecting him to be so .. thespeian, but he is a brilliant actor, no mistake.
When my life story is filmed, I want Rylance to do it. There is no higher recommendation :) |
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I'm sat ere chuckling just thinking about Yosser ("gissa job: go on, i can do that") dressed as the Duke of Norfolk having an Anglo-Saxon rant at all and sundry.
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Flower Myth -
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I know what you mean, it was a bit, but it was probably the fact that the director was with him. I think he'd be interesting on his own, just an interview about his life and career. If he started calling anyone other than his wife darling though, it'd be time to lock and load.
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Yes Guinness, it was Norfolk's "By the thrice be-shitten shroud of Lazarus" made me laugh when I read it, glad they kept it in.
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