Will a living politician ever be convicted of historical child abuse?

Despite todays news, I still very much doubt there is any police commissioner brave enough to see this through, even if he has the evidence.
And Theresa May has made it pretty obvious she has been ordered from above to do whatevers required to keep it under wraps, even to
the point of being ridiculed for her choice of enquiry chairperson.

No doubt there will be Insufficient evidence to bring a successful prosecution

todays "news" about 3 potential child murders was reported almost a month ago

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/murderous-vip-paedophile-ring-at-dolphin-square/

makes you wonder why the mainstream press are only reporting it now?

very odd!

moving too slowly

I agree there is some kind of high level conspiracy.  Why didnt a tabloid expose Saville?  Couldnt have been that difficult, I mean they have exposed innocents in the past.

moore chance of a politics man being done then giggy of putting a multiple up

I see he had a collection of this bloke,another coincidence..

Graham Stuart Ovenden[1][2] (born 11 February 1943[3]) is an English painter, fine art photographer and writer. His estranged wife is the artist Annie Ovenden. Their daughter, Emily, is a writer and is a singer with the Mediæval Bæbes.

Some of Ovenden's art has been investigated as possible child pornography by US and UK authorities on a number of occasions. In 2009 Ovenden was prosecuted in the UK on a charge of creating indecent images. A first jury was discharged and a second trial collapsed when the prosecution witnesses did not appear in court. Through these investigations, Ovenden's work received support from leading figures in the art world.

In April 2013, Ovenden was found guilty of six charges of indecency with a child and one charge of indecent assault against a child, charges relating to girls who had modelled for him. Following his conviction, the Tate gallery removed images of his work from its online gallery, and also removed access to his work in its galleries.[4] Ovenden was sentenced on 4 June 2013 to a year's imprisonment suspended for two years. When sentencing Ovenden Judge Graham Cottle told him he cloaked his sexual interest by claiming it was an artistic one. Cottle said a "stream" of young girls had arrived at Ovenden's home, Barley Splatt on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, to be photographed. "The girls had no understanding at that time of the true purpose behind what you were doing, a purpose that was undoubtedly sexual." The judge went on to say that one of the indecency offences Ovenden was convicted of – asking a girl to touch him while they were in a bath together – could today be treated as inciting a child to engage in a sexual act, carrying a maximum jail sentence of 14 years.[5]

The suspended sentence was considered unduly lenient and on 5 June 2013 the Attorney General announced he had begun a review into whether the sentence imposed on artist Graham Ovenden was too lenient.[6]

On 9 October 2013, Ovenden was jailed for two years and three months by the Court of Appeal. Lord Chief Justice, Lord Thomas ruled the sentence should never have been suspended and noted that Ovenden had not shown a "shred of remorse

That mcalpine thing seemed like a total whitewash.  I would love to know the truth.

all in it together, not a new saying by a long chalk, you cant beat the system , those who try end up 1 way

Yes lets not forget the Macanns advisor now standing tory mp at brighton,it beggars belief..

A few in the House of Lords must be nervous.

May they rot in hell.

More to the point m15 participants in it,there must be 100s if not 1000s who know the truth we are not just talking 80s we are probably going back another couple of decades.The elms guest house list showed the names,its pretty clear who was going there,they went knowingly that they were untouchable and still are,it'll be a 100 years if at all before we get anywhere near the truth.

The brother of a 15-year-old who went missing in the late 1970s has told ITV News he is "convinced" the teenager was among the victims abused by members of an alleged historic Westminster paedophile ring.

Detectives have not linked Martin Allen - who disappeared from his home in London in 1979 - to their investigation into claims of abuse at a block of flats near the Houses of Parliament that housed many MPs.

However his brother Kevin Allen told ITV News he believes Martin was "abducted by higher powers" and alleges there has been "a massive cover-up for all these years".


His claims came as detectives announced they are investigating the murders of three young boys as part of their Operation Midland investigation into the alleged paedophile ring at Dolphin Square flats in Pimlico.

Scotland Yard has appealed for witnesses to come forward.

The Metropolitan Police's Det Supt Kenny McDonald said a victim calling himself "Nick" is so far the only victim to contact police and has described abuse that was "pre-arranged, pre-meditated and horrific".




Dolphin Square in Pimlico, London, is said to have been used by an alleged paedophile ring involving MPs.   
Dolphin Square in Pimlico, London, is said to have been used by an alleged paedophile ring involving MPs. Credit: Lewis Whyld/PA Wire


Police said "Nick" alleges he was abused by a group of MPs and other high profile individuals between 1975 and 1984.

The information he has given them relates to the alleged murders of three young boys and police believe that it is "credible and true".

The police refused to be drawn on whether well-known or establishment figures have been named as part of the inquiry, saying only that witnesses had alluded to VIP abuse.

Operation Midland is one of 18 separate ongoing child abuse investigations as part of the over-arching Operation Fairbank


It needs more and more people like this to come forward,steve massham was made to look a fruitcake what chance did he have against Mc Alpine,in numbers there is some hope so many have commited suicide or died under suspicious circumstances this will probably be their only chance to reveal what happened while its under such scrutiny..

Even if the dam DOES burst, there'll till be plenty on here saying "Well, that's just the way it was then". Next we'll have the "They should have a year to complain, but no longer". Failing that it will be the "I detect the smell of compo" brigade.
It's no wonder that victims find it difficult to press these charges. Especially if they fail to get a conviction.

This goes beyond backroom groping though naydam, this is full on rape/buggery and suggested murder.

Not sure what the compo is if you are a murder victim after being buggered by a bunch of toff psychopaths. If the dam does break then the evidence must be credible and damning.

I cant imagine anyone would compare rape and murder with some of the trivial accusations against celebrities in the 70s.

Met backs claim that VIP abuse ring killed three boys: Victim's story that Tory VIP strangled child 'is credible'
Met investigating alleged murders by MPs at flats in Pimlico, London
Boy called Nick says rich and powerful strangled boy, 12, at 'abuse party'
Police yesterday described the claims as 'credible and true'
Also backed claims that Tory minister watched as another was murdered
Met Police appeal for VIP witnesses who may corroborate Nick's claims
Scotland Yard also believe abuse took place in London and Home Counties - and are also probing abuse at military bases

By Martin Robinson for MailOnline

Published: 12:46, 18 December 2014  | Updated: 09:09, 19 December 2014 





   
 
 


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Police yesterday described claims that a Conservative MP strangled a boy of 12 as ‘credible and true’.

Officers investigating three alleged murders linked to a VIP paedophile ring also backed claims that a Tory minister watched as another boy was murdered.

Scotland Yard has now launched an extraordinary appeal for information from celebrities, politicians and foreign dignitaries who lived at or visited the exclusive Dolphin Square estate in central London in the 1970s and 1980s.



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Scandal: The Met is looking into explosive claims boys were abused and even killed by Conservative politicians at Dolphin Square, a block of flats in Pimlico, London

It comes after months of Daily Mail investigations concerning alleged abuse at Dolphin Square and the nearby Elm Guest House in south-west London.

Detectives say they believe a witness who claimed he was sexually assaulted at Dolphin Square, in Pimlico, by senior MPs, spies and prominent military figures during ‘abuse parties’ over a period of almost a decade.





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The alleged victim, known only as Nick, says he was molested from the age of seven to 16. He has told how he saw a Conservative MP strangle a 12-year-old boy at an orgy in a London townhouse around 1980, and that a Conservative Cabinet minister watched two men kill another boy in a depraved sexual assault a year later.

A third boy aged ten or 11 was deliberately run over in broad daylight in south-west London by an unknown member of the paedophile gang in 1979, he alleges.


THE WHISTLEBLOWER: MAN AT CENTRE OF THE INQUIRY







The man at the centre of the Dolphin Square inquiry says he was abused at depraved sex ‘parties’ from the age of seven.

Known only by the pseudonym Nick, he claims to have witnessed horrific acts at the luxury estate in central London between 1975 and 1984.

After being abused by his father, Nick says he was handed to a gang of top Establishment figures. He has described being driven by a chauffeur, along with a terrified 12-year-old boy, to a luxury townhouse where he watched as a Tory MP strangled the other child. Nick also said he saw a second boy being brutally murdered in front of a Tory Cabinet minister in 1981. A third boy, aged ten or 11, had died in 1979 after being deliberately run over by a member of the paedophile gang in a ‘warning’ to victims not to speak out, he alleges.

He says he was taken to Dolphin Square at least ten times for ‘abuse parties’. He claimed one MP told him to thrash another boy - and ‘sexually punished’ him when he refused.

After receiving counselling he contacted the investigative website Exaro in May, whose investigators described him as ‘intelligent and articulate’, before going to the police.


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Police have now appealed for potential witnesses who lived in or visited Dolphin Square, where Nick said the majority of the abuse took place, between 1975 and 1984.

They confirmed for the first time they were looking at ‘allegations of serious and organised sexual abuse’ at Dolphin Square and other locations, including military bases, after Nick said he and several other boys were driven to properties in London and the Home Counties, where they were raped, cut and beaten.

Now in his forties, Nick has helped to compile e-fits of the three alleged murder victims, whose names he never learned.

Police are working through historical missing persons reports and unsolved child murders to look for possible matches.

Detectives have spoken to the family of Martin Allen, who disappeared in 1979 aged 15, but are not currently linking him to Dolphin Square. Similarly, Sussex Police is reviewing the disappearance and murder of eight-year-old Vishal Mehrotra in 1981. The Royal Military Police is also investigating claims that military bases were used by a VIP paedophile ring.

Scotland Yard first launched its investigation into Nick’s claims – Operation Midland – last month.

Detective Superintendent Kenny McDonald said: ‘Nick has been spoken to by experienced officers from child abuse teams and experienced officers from murder investigations. They and I believe what Nick is saying is credible and true.’

He continued: ‘There will be people who lived at, or visited, Dolphin Square from the early 1970s onwards who will have seen or heard something that they only now understand the significance of.

Today I would like to ask former residents, current residents, or anyone who routinely went to Dolphin Square to think back and get in touch with us with any information they may have.’

The luxury estate has long been home to politicians, foreign dignitaries, and stars of stage and screen – as well as spies and glamour girls.

Famous former residents include Harold Wilson and William Hague; Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies, key players in the Profumo Affair; and Sir Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists.




Other venue: The Elm Guest House in South-West London, above, was frequented by VIPs and politicians where it is believed they abused vulnerable children


Other venue: The Elm Guest House in South-West London, above, was frequented by VIPs and politicians where it is believed they abused vulnerable children

According to Nick, the estate also hosted sordid ‘parties’, where children were plied with whisky after being escorted from school.

Unsolved: Martin Allen, 15, disappeared in 1979

Det Supt McDonald said: ‘Today I want to appeal directly to those other young boys, now men, who were also subject to abuse at the hands of these men. ... I would ask you to trust me. I will support you, and do everything in my power to find those responsible and bring them to justice.’

Operation Midland falls under a wider umbrella of investigations, Operation Fairbank, exploring allegations of child abuse by VIPs. One of the most high-profile strands is Operation Fernbridge, concerning Elm Guest House.

Tom Watson, the Labour MP who warned in Parliament two years ago that a paedophile ring was linked to No 10, said: ‘It will come as a great relief to Nick that his allegations are being fully investigated and taken seriously ... now is the time for any victims to speak to the police.’

Yesterday police also said they are probing claims that officers acted inappropriately in relation to child abuse probes from the mid-1970s until as recently as 2005.

Last July it emerged that a dossier compiled by Geoffrey Dickens, naming Cyril Smith and other suspected Establishment paedophiles, had vanished after it was sent in 1983 to the then home secretary Leon Brittan. A recent Home Office inquiry failed to uncover the file, and Theresa May said she could not rule out a possible cover-up.

The Government has planned an inquiry into the claims of a VIP paedophile ring – but is struggling to find a chairman.

Lawyer Fiona Woolf and retired judge Baroness Elizabeth Butler-Sloss were both appointed but later had to step down due to their links to the Establishment.



TIMELINE: THE DAILY MAIL'S BATTLE TO UNCOVER THE TRUTH


Jan 18, 2013: Scotland Yard says it will probe claims that VIPs – including former ministers, police and people linked to royal household – abused children at Elm Guest House in south-west London in the 1980s

February 2, 2013: Weeks after police seize a list of Establishment figures who allegedly visited Elm Guest House with the intention of abusing boys, the Mail reveals the tragic story of alleged victim Peter Hatton-Bornshin, who killed himself aged 28

February 7, 2013: The Mail publishes the first picture of Mr Hatton-Bornshin. His stepfather tells the newspaper that the Elm Guest House allegations make him ‘shudder’

April 19, 2014: The Mail explores allegations that Elm Guest House owner Carole Kasir – reported to have died in suspicious circumstances by friends – had been actually murdered to ensure her silence. A former lover claims she kept a ‘load’ of pictures of high-profile clients ‘doing stuff’ at her hotel in a strongbox at her local bank

July 3, 2014: The Mail examines disturbing questions faced by former Tory home secretary Leon Brittan over how he and senior Home Office figures dealt with a dossier on alleged Establishment paedophiles. The file was sent by the late campaigning MP Geoffrey Dickens in the 1980s

July 5, 2014: The Mail details how the Establishment protected disgraced diplomat Sir Peter Hayman after he was unmasked in 1978 as a member of the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange, which sought the abolition of the age of consent

July 7, 2014: Home Secretary Theresa May faces allegations in the Commons that politicians, police and even her own officials suppressed allegations of child abuse against powerful figures for decades

Nov 15, 2014: Scotland Yard announces an investigation into claims that a VIP child abuse ring at Dolphin Square may have murdered at least one boy

Nov 22, 2014:The Mail examines in detail the extraordinary claims that a child was murdered during paedophile orgies attended by Westminster elites at the block of flats

December 6, 2014: In a four-page investigation, the newspaper reveals that police face claims they covered up allegations that a senior politician abused a boy at Elm Guest House
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Where's Cliff,he may be able to shed some light.

Announced at 2.15pm

Westminster Paedophile Ring Dossier Names 3 MPs And 3 Peers In House Of Lords

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/21/westminster-paedophile-ring-dossier-three-3-mps-peers-house-lords_n_6362270.html