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Will a living politician ever be convicted of historical child abuse?
Will a living politician ever be convicted of historical child abuse?
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Three MPs and three members of the House of Lords have been named in a dossier handed to police concerning investigations into the alleged Westminster paedophile ring.
The dossier, which has been compiled by Labour MP John Mann, contains a total list of 22 high-profile figures deemed “worthy of investigation,” following the detailed examination of hundreds of pieces of evidence presented to him by members of the public, The Sunday Times reports. Mr Mann told the newspaper the dossier names 12 former ministers, several of whom he believes were “definitely child abusers” and at least two of which are alleged to have assaulted boys at the Dolphin Square “abuse parties”. He believes that the evidence presented against half of those on the list is “very compelling” and that some could “definitely be prosecuted”. |
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Names will have to be named.
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It will just be covered up like the one involving all the Labour people up north was.
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Don`t think so Dotch, the London police seem to have a change in attitude.
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I freely admit, I've not got a scoobies, but it seems to becoming more and more clear something very bad happened at the very heart of the establishment. The only thing I would say is I find it very hard to trust the politicians, press and police in 'revealing' something which, given that is was the subject of gossip amongst the nutter ends of society - they must have known about all along. Scary, regardless.
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That doesnt mean anything. They may well arrest someone to make it look like they are doing their job but you can bet it wont be the main people or any well known names.
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Well given that we've already knights of the realm and a former MP condemned it is hard to see how that is the case. Easy to see how the dead ones - Saville and Smith can be named, but Rolf Harris? If there was a protecting figure still alive, you think he would have used that to save himself. I know, I know, I'll get me tinfoil hat.
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The first sign the any investigation is getting close to the truth is when we hear of the first suicide or death in strange circumstances.
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The CCDA need to be involved here, who are the dodgy looking ones?
Gove....1.01 |
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A couple of 2.5 shots. Win Each & Double
Haigh & Rifkind..with L Brittain.no more bets,sorry. |
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Wasn't the original problem Peter Hayman. He was a known paedophile who seems to have been Assistant Director of MI6. He has been dead for some time so probably what has been happening since is a cover-up of the cover-up.
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Haigh was still a schoolkid extolling the delights of Thatcherism when all this was going on, but I reckon youre not far off with the spotty one.
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Charles Irving was a gay MP for Cheltenham and is on the Elm Guest house list.
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Harris was a high profile distraction imo.
The real culprits are far nearer to the HoC and Buck Palace... |
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If the police found evidence that it involves a senior member of the royal family , what will they do.?
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Ageing dj jimmy saville just family friends of the royals PMSL
 Diana dies in accident,jill dando close to kitty ends up shot dead on doorstep no one sees anything,there is no hope of getting to the real main players. |
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from what i heard on 5live last night i wouldnt be surprised if at least some of the abusers will be caught maybe sooner than later.
i missed the guys name but he says a list of about 10 names some dead most still alive...some not known to the public, but several allegedely household names in the political realm...this as well as scotland yard saying they have credible leads to follow up. |
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Nothing will happen. All mps, top politicians, police are all masons. That is how they get the jobs. They sure given these jobs to protect those above them.
The public are thick, and should be treated as such. You can link paedophile to successive governments and the royal family, but as long as x factor is on tv, the dumbed down thick as thuck britishish public will not care 1 iota. For further reading, google elm guest house list,, tony Blair d notice, chris spivey monsters inc and jimmy Saville. |
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Mandleson, Brown, Rifkind, Hague seem to crop up with remarkable frequency
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The Scouts
The BBC The Catholic Church The Westminster elite who's next? |
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Betfair politics forum
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Extreme X ?
Surely not. |
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Of course there will be fall guys some obscure minions that are disposable,should sucker in the public and all will be forgotten..
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I'd like to see it all over the front pages that UKIP are not involved.
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Neither is Russell Brand
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Former newspaper boss tells police of VIP paedophile cover-up claim
Ex-news editor who was issued with warning against reporting on allegedly powerful paedophile ring is interviewed by police 27 Rocks Lane, the former Elm Guest House, Barnes, London -17 Dec 2012 The former Elm Guest House in Barnes where paedophiles are said to have operated in the 1980s. Photograph: Ray Tang/Rex A former local newspaper executive who claims that he was issued with an official warning in the early 1980s against reporting on an allegedly powerful paedophile ring has been interviewed by police. In a sign of growing concern that there has been a cover-up of the involvement of politicians in the sexual abuse of children, Hilton Tims, 81, was approached by officers and asked to tell all that he knows about the affair. Last month the Observer reported Tims’s claim that his newspaper, the Surrey Comet, had been issued with a D-notice – an official warning not to publish intelligence that might damage national security – when he sought around 1984 to report on a police investigation into Elm Guest House, in Barnes, south-west London, where a group of notorious paedophiles was said to have been operating. Officials running the D-notice system, who work closely with MI5 and MI6 and the Ministry of Defence, said they did not believe that such a notice would have been issued, but admitted that some records relating to official requests for media blackouts in the early 1980s have been destroyed. Following the revelations, it has emerged that Tims, who was news editor of the Surrey Comet between 1980 and 1988, was interviewed by an officer working for Operation Fernbridge, the criminal investigation examining claims of sexual abuse and grooming of children by prominent men, including senior MPs, top police officers and people with links to the royal household. Tims said: “They wanted to have my story from my own lips.” He told officers that the D-notice was issued when he asked one of his reporters to look into a police investigation into a paedophile ring based at Elm Guest House which the paper understood had been “getting boys from a care home”. Tims said the paper subsequently dropped its inquiries into the story. The development follows Scotland Yard’s decision last week to publicly describe claims that a Conservative MP strangled a boy of 12 as both “credible and true”. Officers, who have appealed for witnesses to come forward, are investigating the claims of an alleged victim, known as Nick, who says he was molested from the age of seven to 16, between 1975 and 1984. He claims to have seen a Conservative MP kill a boy at an orgy in a London townhouse in around 1980, and to have witnessed a Conservative cabinet minister watch two men kill another boy in a sexual assault a year later. Peter McKelvie, a former child protection manager whose allegations about a paedophile ring brought the issue to the attention of Tom Watson MP and the police in 2012, said it was clear that there had been a cover-up. He said: “The good and honest police officers on the ground always wanted to take their criminal investigations into this as far as they could go. It was higher up the hierarchy where things went awry. “It is encouraging that the police are now pursuing this. The evidence has always been there and now it is finally being examined.” Last week the home secretary Theresa May met survivors of child sexual abuse, along with McKelvie, to discuss the future of the independent inquiry that she set up in the summer. The inquiry has lost two chairs over accusations of conflicts of interest and the survivors told May that they had also lost confidence in the makeup of the rest of the panel due to examine allegations of organised institutional child abuse. It was reported on Saturday night that May intends to scrap the panel. She wrote to each panel member last week to say she is considering converting it to a statutory inquiry, or set up a fresh statutory inquiry or a royal commission, according to Exaro News which published extracts from the letter. Earlier this month it was revealed that two members of the panel  had been accused of sending threatening or insulting emails to victims who had criticised the inquiry.Lawyers for one abuse survivor had written to the home secretary to complain of a string of unsolicited communications, including an allegedly threatening email sent two days before an official meeting that both panellists and an abuse survivor were due to attend. The victim, who is on medication for post-traumatic stress disorder, was left too anxious to attend the “listening meeting” in November. McKelvie said: “At the meeting on Monday the home secretary was friendly and purposeful and promised a timetable for the inquiry, and hopefully the name of a new chair, by the end of January. But we were adamant that disbanding the panel as it stands is non-negotiable. The inquiry cannot be compromised from day one like this |
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Anyone who blows the whistle on this is going to need a lot of courage.
Westminster Child Abuse: Claims Of New Murders Westminster Child Abuse: Claims Of New Murders Monday, 22nd December 2014 14:09 Two whistle-blowers who had information about MPs' alleged involvement in a paedophile ring could have been murdered, according to a Labour MP who has handed a dossier of evidence to Scotland Yard. Speaking to Sky News, John Mann MP claims he has evidence relating to the suspicious deaths of two men - a former Lambeth council official named Bulick Forsythe, and a caretaker whose name he did not disclose. He said the police were already aware of the potential link between one of the deaths and the child sex abuse ring, which involved "highly influential" politicians during the 1970s and 1980s. Although Mr Mann has now handed the information to the Metropolitan Police, he has been aware of it since the 1980s and 1990s, when he said the police declined to fully investigate. "Bulick Forsythe had significant information in relation to child abuse," he said. "The second was a caretaker who said he had tapes relating to sex parties that were taking place," he added. "Mr Forsythe went to the police at the time and got nowhere. What I want to see is both those suspicious deaths reinvestigated." His dossier includes 22 names of MPs he believes were involved in paedophile rings in North Wales, Lambeth in south London, Dolphin Square in central London, Rochdale, and one other location which he declined to name for legal reasons. The MPs named include 14 Conservatives, five Labour politicians and three from other parties. Of them, 13 are former ministers. Mr Mann told Sky News that he has given the police enough evidence on some of the suspects that he would expect the police to act "soon". "I am confident there will be people arrested," said Mr Mann. "In some cases I?d be surprised if it didn?t happen soon." The prospect of arrests for child abuse by MPs is likely to intensify calls for an inquiry into the historical allegations. Home Secretary Theresa May has been dogged by setbacks after two successive chairs were forced to resign over their links to establishment figures in positions of power at the time. Mrs May said last week that the inquiry should have the powers of a statutory inquiry in order to compel witnesses to give evidence but members of the panel are reported to be "devastated" that the existing inquiry, which has started preliminary work, is to be disbanded. Scotland Yard detectives were already investigating "credible" claims that the murders of three young boys - aged between seven and 16 - were linked to high-profile abusers, including MPs. One victim was allegedly run over by a car. Last Thursday, a fresh appeal was launched for further victims of historical abuse at the Dolphin Square estate, in southwest London, to come forward. Children were allegedly taken to sex parties at the plush property, which was popular with politicians. |
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if mann elected to serve the people has been sat on this for 35 years he should be strung up by his rollocks,just as bad the perpetrators
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David Icke ought to stand as an MP at the next election, he'd probably be a shoe-in somewhere.
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Have those six names been leaked anywhere yet?
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Leona Britton on the guest list at Elm Guest House when he was the Home Secretary is the key to this sordid affair.
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Leona..lol
He is,funny how thats all gone quiet.Filthy fcking scumbags,the lot of them. Prince Andrew looks a wrongun as well. |
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Far bigger than leon brittain its probably a huge network that's been going on since the 60/70s inherent within the hierarchy of society..
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don't be a cretin seaview - this is no place for inane 'X looks like a wrong 'un' comments. Or actually are you subtley rubbishing the credibility of people who allege these events? If your running interference for the cover-up operation, this is exactly how one would go ABOUT IT.
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Exactly the opposite Desperatemunter.
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ok mate - sorry for being abusive
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Simon Danczuk: child abuse inquiry is being deliberately sabotaged by Government
Labour MP claims vested interested are seeking to protect ‘high profile’ abusers Rochdale Labour MP Simon Danczuk: 'I’m in no doubt that Rotherham is not an isolated case.' The Government is deliberately sabotaging the inquiry into historic claims of child abuse to protect “high profile figures,” a Labour MP has claimed. Simon Danczuk, the backbencher who has led the calls for an inquiry into allegations of abuse dating back decades, said the problems which had dogged the probe set up last summer appeared to have been “quite deliberate mistakes by people in central Government.” A letter leaked at the weekend showed that Theresa May, the Home Secretary, is considering abandoning the current panel, amid a catalogue of problems including the resignations of two chairman. A victims’ representative said the only people who wished to see the inquiry fail were the abusers themselves. Asked if he thought Theresa May, the Home Secretary, was responsible for a deliberate cover-up, Mr Danczuk said he was confident she wanted to get to the truth. Related Articles Tessa Munt Abused MP gives Theresa May backing in child sex inquiry 22 Dec 2014 Five Westminster paedophile rings probed by Scotland Yard 21 Dec 2014 Theresa May opens way for beefed-up child sex abuse inquiry 21 Dec 2014 Theresa May apologises to survivors of child sex abuse over inquiry resignations 03 Nov 2014 But he warned that victims could engage in “direct action” unless they began to see justice. He told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme: “If Government are set on doing this then it can be achieved, but you can’t help thinking that they aren’t intent on getting this right. “There’s a catalogue of mistakes that have been made, some of them fairly basic, and you can’t blame the survivors of child abuse for wondering, because of the allegations of high-profile figures involved in the abuse, you can’t help thinking that some of this is quite deliberate mistakes by people in central government.” Asked why the Government would want to sabotage the probe, he went on: “Well, because they don’t want to get to the truth. That would be the allegation. And you can’t help people for thinking that, you can’t blame people. “The Home Secretary in this process is in complete disarray and what you have to think about are the survivors of child abuse, some of the people who have been abused by – the allegation is – some fairly high-profile figures in our society. They must be utterly dismayed by this lack of process and lack of progress. “We’re not getting any satisfaction from Government because we’re not moving forward and it’s been six months now, one mistake after another ... I think that people will turn to more direct action and you can hardly blame them.” Asked what form the direct action could take, Mr Danczuk made clear he wasn’t calling for violence. “I’m talking about a more coordinated campaign  , survivor groups coming together in a more coordinated way, perhaps more and bigger peaceful protests, more challenging of ministers, more challenging of the police to take action and I think that has to be the route in which we go because there’s very little faith in the Government in delivering this,” he said. Peter Saunders, of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, welcomed Mrs May’s suggestion that the child abuse could be scrapped and replaced with one with stronger powers, saying that victims had lost confidence in the current inquiry. He said: “The only people who want to see this fail, to not get off the ground and to not do the work that it potentially would be able to do are abusers themselves or those people who have covered up in the past. “I have yet to encounter any survivors themselves who have any confidence in the process and in the panel as it is currently constituted. “And really what this is about, it’s about having the confidence of the people who are at the heart of this inquiry, which is the survivors/victims themselves. Without that, it becomes a meaningless exercise.” However Tim Loughton, a Conservative MP who serves on the Home Affairs Select Committee, warned against scrapping the current inquiry, saying the panel needed to “get on with it.” He said: “I know there are question marks about how the panel members were appointed, there is a lot of distrust out there – not surprisingly, given the many years and decades survivors had to suffer in silence, not being believed. But that has all changed.” He criticised Mr Danczuk for suggesting that the Government had deliberately undermined the inquiry. Saying Mrs May was instrumental in setting up the inquiry in the first place, he went on: “She wants it to succeed, she wants it to get to the bottom of the truth |
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UKIP PEOPLE INVOLVED Why is that not all over the BBC and The Guardian? |
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Some brilliant points made by Simon Danczuk. He and Tom Watson are keeping this going, and keeping the pressure on Theresa May.
Saying Mrs May was instrumental in setting up the inquiry in the first place, he went on: “She wants it to succeed, she wants it to get to the bottom of the truth She had no choice, as not doing anything would have made her look inept. And she knows that enquiries, if led by the "right" person can be skewed to show very little (Hutton, Chilcott, Bloody Sunday,etc) |
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Has Kilroy Silk been given the all clear yet Taxi?
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