Tony Broke wrote:

no!
but seriously poker whats that got to do with anything posted - r u saying because of that then the above has no relevance?

Well, if you were the fruit loop who said that the world was going to end in 2008, I might feel obliged to point out that your confidence of a Conservative defeat at the next election might be misplaced.

eeternal why do u post at all? does your secretary understand dictation from a troll?

I forgot that end of the world prediction.  There you go Tony.  You are a prat.  Benefits related deaths my @rse.

rob i honestly thought you were sensible, mate, the fact that all those deaths have occurred and literally thousands of people have also blamed this gov't, dwp, and atos, and i do mean thousands, must leave grave cause for concern id have thought, so the fact that you are actually dismissing those deaths just be inferring that i am a 'prat,' means you are also calling the thousands of suffering uk people prats, also. I have not twisted the truth at all. Anyone who isnt right wing can see that.
You have also conveniently attacked me when im actually posting up all kinds of relevant data and statements from other sources inc, c a b who must of course be equally incorrect.
Poker, the reason i have labelled this right wing gov't with names is because they actually deserve them, because they have allowed countless people to be very unhappy to the point of death, children and families starving, ive never ever seen the like of in my life and u actually have the gall to support a govt like this.I  would advise you to see sense at once.
And if you did actually care about the sick and underprivelged as u infer, you'd not vote for that party.

there's always a possibility


yes there is

And as for taking things with a pinch of salt you are right. Everything you write needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Very well put poker. If anybody has bloon on their hands it is the rotters stealing what isn't theirs and putting such a strain on a service which is there to help the vulnerable and not the con men.

heres one more tho, poker, if what u say is true, why are people (see cab post above) being left without money when waiting on their appeals? is that morally acceptable from a  conservative govt?And why are many people now being treated by slaves ie workfare, instead of paying these same EMPLOYED people a living wage?

why are people (see cab post above) being left without money when waiting on their appeals?

But that doesn't happen Tony. You continue to get tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit. You can claim Job Seekers Allowance while waiting for the ESA mandatory reconsideration, which I appreciate means you are between 50p and £30 a week worse off compared to getting ESA, but these people are not being left without money.

. http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/appeals-and-mandatory-reconsideration

And to be frank, I think it's you Tony that has the problem empathising. Can you imagine have chronic pain, unable to sleep, trying so many pain-killing drugs you have to keep a list, pinning your hopes on a successful operation which ends in things being worse. Whatever you do, peeing, eating, standing, lying, the constant equivalent of tooth-ache all over your back and legs. And then having relatives that don't actually care about you enough to drive you to an appointment, but do care enough to score points off the wrong colour of government not to tell the DWP when you pass away which is what Jacqueline's sister omitted to do.
With pain racking your body and relatives like that, ATOS staff being curnts isn't right, but's it's not your main problem.

Iain Duncan Smith might not be your favourite politician, nor is he mine, but I can tell you what he is not: he is not scúm; he is not a ****; and he is not a monster.

I beg to differ Franzi - he is all of those things imo 

dude they haven't cut f all taxes in reality.

labour didn't introduce the 50% bracket until just before they left power purely as a poisoned chalice to hand to the tories , it was pure politics nothing else because they knew those at the very top end with millions can easily move their money abroad and the treasury then gets f all from them so the net gain for 50% wasn’t very much.

those in 40% bracket actually pay well over 50% when you take into account both sets of NI , believe me both sets come out of your wage, so if you think those people should pay an even higher amount you're fkn dream land and each party knows it’s political suicide to try and up that.

I'm sorry but austerity is more likely to hit the net takers rather than the net contributors get used to it

grip? hell be out of a job, virtually everyone knows full well he s completely fecked up with universal credit shambles.

charles dickens would be turning in his grave.

Joking aside. I partly agree. I have been one of the biggest critics of the fact that no bankers were slammed in prison and apart from a couple of high profile examples the MP's were left unmolested for their detestable law breaking. They are in a position where they set the example and that example is greedy, grasping and rancid. I don't agree about people who avoid tax. That is our duty. Our responsiblity is to comply with the law. It is politicians who frame the law. Any blame for what people do to avoid paying tax lies with the politicians. As long as people don't evadetax then they do nothing wrong.

However, having said all that it doesn't mean that the attempts to get to grips with those who abuse the benefits system shouldn't proceed. As voters it is our prerogative to throw out the politicians who abuse the system or who haven't brought the bankers to book. If we don't do that then we only have ourselves to blame.

they’re crucifying millions of people even to the point where they’re denying them food and shelter

Fair play to Meacher, he must have so wanted to stick the word 'literally' into that sentence. And for delving into a past world of executions that occurred after the Napoleonic Wars for the most relevant historical comparison to now, that's class writing is that.

Poor recognition of mental health
problems
We have long been concerned about the poor
recognition of mental health problems by
many of the HCPs in the assessments. We see
repeated evidence of people with severe
mental health problems being found fit for
work, and find it very hard to understand how
people with clear and obvious problems are
found to be suffering merely from mild
depression.
A client who had attempted suicide a
number of times in the past and was felt
by his GP to be at ongoing risk was
found to have mild depression by the
Atos doctor and found capable of work.

CAB also in March 2010. The minister in charge of the DWP at the time was Yvette Cooper - who is still around.

Tony Broke     01 Dec 14 12:02 
Another fruit loop
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Writing on his blog Mr Meacher said:

“The papers are full-on when members or ex-members of the government make a fool of themselves behaving badly when they can’t get their way – Andrew Mitchell foul-mouthing a policeman with the toxic ‘plebs’ allegedly added in because he couldn’t ride his bike through the No.10 gates, and David Mellor ranting at a black cab driver over the best route home to his £8m pad near Tower Bridge.

“But what really matters about members of the government is not their silly misbehaviour, it’s they [sic] way they’re crucifying millions of people even to the point where they’re denying them food and shelter.

“On this, with a few honourable exceptions, the media are largely silent on the grounds presumably that they don’t matter because they’re not famous.

“A million people have been sanctioned by government ministers over this last year, which means that they are deprived of all their benefit for often petty infringements (e.g. being 5 minutes late for a job interview) and hence have no money for at least 4 weeks and sometimes 3 months, forcing them to steal to survive.

If they’re caught, the penalty for stealing some meat from a supermarket might be a fine of some £200 which of course they cannot conceivably pay, or it might be 6 weeks in prison.

“IDS supervises the sanctioning (though it’s outsourced to a privatised firm doing his dirty work for him), while Grayling takes care of the imprisonment.

“This is the treadmill of impoverishment to which this government is now sentencing hundreds of thousands of people every year, a crescendo of wanton harshness out of all proportion to the treatment meted out to other miscreants.

“During and after the Napoleonic wars there were up to 200 offences for which a person could be hanged, usually for stealing to keep their family alive.

“The people of this country sitting on the juries finally got round this draconian repression imposed by the ruling class by refusing to convict. That is what juries and magistrates should do now when faced by the stark injustice of the criminal justice system.

“MPs who 5 years ago stole big ticket expenses to which they were not entitled, including many on both front benches, suffered no penalty worse than being named and shamed in the newspapers, with no more than half a dozen fall-guys, not the main offenders, sent to prison for a few weeks.

“Not a single banker has been prosecuted for presiding over the wrecking of the financial and economic system by the most brazen arrogance, recklessness and incompetence, even though it has ravaged the lives of millions of innocent people.

“None of the super-rich who have been avoiding due payment of taxes by the most artificial forms of contrivance have ever been personally brought to book and sent down.





“We are now seeing one law for the rich and another for the poor in its most vicious and nasty form.”





Absolutely correct. There can be no defence or argument made of this statement. What is happening to the poorest segment of our society in the UK today in 2014 beggars belief. This Tory government couldn't care less. Their disdain is palpable. And all the more disgusting as a result. And - God forbid - the electorate vote them back in , with or without the support of the embarrassing and dangerous UKIP, then we can expect to see further cuts to welfare and services.driving an even bigger wedge into our society and making their divisive strategy create more blame culture amongst the working classes.

Labour of course. It's the only obvious and credible choice, if we are to rid ourselves of this current obscenity of a government.

bongo you know that atos doc - youre not serious are you?

U N are investigating uk over 'grave' human rights violations - great, about time.