they actually are stupid enough to beleieve theyre goign to win the election after all their crimes against humanity - unbelievable.

I see that mug studybore has flounced off taking his dunces cap and abacus with him.

or Cripen

and if by some absolute miracle they did get in e o, the poor and ill would prob go some way towards reaching the same number of victims of the tyrants u describe.

I'll bet you broke that abacus in half with your self righteous fury. Feel free not to respond to me but Crippen made the same point as me. You can't do maths and your logic is grossly flawed. Now crawl away and lick your wounds sucker.

What can be wrong in asking people who claim to be unfit for work to supply some tangible evidence of their illness before they are given extra hand outs?

Something had to be done, and has to be continued to be done to ensure that everybody who is unemployed doesn't jump on the disability benefit gravy train.

1.5 million people unfit for work indeed.   

Perhaps if people weren't so dishonest and only claimed when they were genuinely ill, we could find extra money for the truly disabled.

My local co-op had collectors for the Foodbank today.

To say I was a tad shocked by the list of items they wanted is an understatement...here are a few..

1) Tinned custard
2) Sponge puddings (tinned)
3) Instant mash
4) tinned fruit
5) pasta sauces
6) cartons of juice

I live in a wealthy part of the country. If we are handing out instant mash and tinned custard we're in a right mess.. Can people not make custard and mash their own spuds? (spuds are staggeringly cheap this time of year).

Are they so in need that they need a jar of sauce and can't make one in a saucepan costing less than 50p??

I saw someone donate 2 tins of Pringles! The more we give for free the more will be consumed and so the 'demand' and 'need' will seem greater when in fact it's not.

There's something not quite right with our lack of personal responsibility.

Ps Tony Broke, I'm not making a direct link between your list of people and this foodbank.

MB,

Crikey MB you're like a dog with a bone, but it's nice to see that I can still get under people's skin.

Keep smarting, that's what I like to see.

As stated before, I would definitely sign up for war against this govt rather than fight in iraq.A just cause if ever there was one.

21
Nov 2014
Disabled peer warns DWP that tighter benefit rules could cause more deaths
By john pring
newslatestA disabled peer has warned her own government that tightening social security rules even further could lead to more deaths of benefit claimants, days after Disability News Service (DNS) revealed there had been 60 secret reviews into such tragedies.
Last week’s DNS story – that the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) had carried out 60 internal reviews “following the death of a customer” in less than three years – has been widely shared across social media.
And on Wednesday (19 November), it was raised by the disabled Liberal Democrat peer Baroness [Celia] Thomas in a debate in the House of Lords.
She told fellow peers – during a discussion of controversial government plans to increase the time that someone has to wait before applying for out-of-work benefits from three to seven days – that she was “particularly concerned” about the impact on claimants of employment and support allowance (ESA).
Estimates suggest that, in 2015-16, about 35,000 ESA claimants and 245,000 claimants of jobseeker’s allowance would be most at risk from the proposed changes.
Baroness Thomas said: “Here I want to mention another reason the department ought to be very careful before implementing this particular policy as it applies to ESA claimants [with mental health conditions].
“It was on the news at lunchtime that there is evidence that the DWP has carried out 60 reviews into suicides linked to benefit cuts in the past three years.
“This very serious matter has been uncovered by John Pring of the Disability News Service and I think we ought to hear more about this in the coming weeks.”
The DNS story was also reported by BBC Radio 4’s You and Yours programme, although no mainstream newspaper appears to have covered it yet.
DNS editor John Pring told You and Yours: “I think what should be a system of support has turned into for some people persecution and has caused some people to take their own lives and has caused others to die through lack of food or heating.
“One of the things we need to know now is what were the conclusions and recommendations of these 60 reviews.”
DWP has so far refused to release the reviews because they include the personal details of deceased benefit claimants.
You and Yours also spoke to the sister of Tim Slater, from Staffordshire, who killed himself in September 2013 after he was found “fit for work” following an assessment by Atos Healthcare.
She said the Atos assessment had failed to take any account of his mental health condition, and only examined the impact of his sight impairment. His case is now being reviewed by DWP.
Slater, who had survived a previous suicide attempt, was one of the hundreds of thousands of claimants of old-style incapacity benefit who have been reassessed through the much-criticised work capability assessment process since early 2011.
A coroner concluded that a major factor in his death had been that his benefits had been “greatly reduced, leaving him almost destitute and with a threatened repossession of his home”.
Meanwhile, the disabled Canadian academic and campaigner Samuel Miller, who tweets at @Hephaestus7, has passed the DNS story to the UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, which is believed to be conducting a high-level inquiry into “grave or systemic violations” of the rights of disabled people by the UK government.
Julie Newman, acting chair of the UK Disabled People’s Council, tweeting at @achairukdpc, said the DNS story showed there had been a “shameful cost in human life”, but DWP was “constantly in denial and never seem to [be] held to account” for the failures of its social security policy.
Another leading disabled activist, Ian Jones, @edwinmandella, one of the founders of the WOWcampaign, tweeted: “Drip, drip, drip. ConDem policies are killing disabled people and slowly the proof is emerging.”
The social affairs journalist Frances Ryan, @frances_ryan, described the DNS story as “huge”, while @hawkins_carole tweeted: “Only 60, how many hundreds are they not investigating!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
And campaigner Sue Marsh, a key member of the Spartacus online network, said on her blog: “If this story isn’t picked up by the mainstream media, they are as complicit in the outrageous cover up of this crisis as [work and pensions secretary] Iain Duncan Smith himself.”
Meanwhile, a public meeting in David Cameron’s Witney constituency in Oxfordshire will this week hear from the sisters of two disabled men who died through lack of food after having their benefits removed.
David Clapson had been “sanctioned” because he missed two DWP appointments, while Mark Wood, who was a Green party member and a constituent of the prime minister, lost his ESA and housing benefit because he had been found fit for work by Atos.
Wood’s sister Cathie and Clapson’s sister Gill Thompson will share a platform at the meeting, organised by the Green party, at 7.30pm on Thursday 27 November at Langdale Hall, Market Square, Witney.
20 November 2014

Tony - I asked this before but you didn't respond..

How much do you want the Govt to give you personally in benefits.

Give me a figure please including all benefits in kind as well. Deduct any tax paid.

Thanks.

And what right has any wealthy person to ever comment upon the kind of lives these unfortunate souls are leading?

Who said I was wealthy??

I'll ask you again..

How much do YOU want personally from this or any govt in benefits?

also doc it isnt just myself who is calling them murderers, which they most certainly are, dunc smith appears to be undergoing such accusations now wherever he sets foot.

Tony you're getting wilder.

He's quoting The Bible now.

Government tries to reduce benefit fraud.  Tony responds by accusing them of murder and quoting the bible.

His credibility is zero.

On more thing, dr crippen. If i were in the luxurious position, like some of the ACTUAL fraudulent bankers, ie had their wealth; I wouldnt give a chinese toss about the tiny amount of people who were fraudulently claiming such a meagre amount from my taxes.Because its part of life. Same as royals on luxury yachts is.

People have killed themselves after they've lost their jobs, others after being ditched by their lover.
Are employers murderers, are fickle lovers murderers?

the fact is they are leaving an increasing number of people completely destitute and are not sticking to what they said they would do ie. HELPING - YES HELPING - the people who  need it most. The reason they are murderers is because it has been planned, and the dwp have forced the likes of jobcentre staff and formerly - atos - to reach targets. ie, get a certain amount of people off benefits mo matter what the cost and that cost hs resulted in deaths, not just the odd one but possibly thousands.
You tell me to asnwer questions without answering yourselves or attemtping to go and read sites such as the gov't v the people. Where you will find adequate proof of all that i have been pointing out.
BTW I see what u did there with the blow-up doll, bit. ha ha ...