Despite the impressive (at first glance) evidence in the list at the head this thread, I still know of many people who receive extra benefits for illnesses that they seem to keep well hidden when you meet them.
One middle aged couple in particular that I know of, receive extra benefits for illnesses and regularly attend hospitals for checks and stuff yet go swimming at least three times a week.
They usually complete 64 lengths of the pool each session to total a mile of swimming on each visit to the pool.
How many on here who work can swim 50 meters let alone a mile?
They don't appear to have any mental illnesses and seem perfectly sound in mind and body and well capable of working.
I also know the gentleman concerned does work on the side mending domestic appliances.   

I suppose if their benefits were stopped and something happened to them shortly after, then they would be candidates to be added to the list of horror stories above.
After their cases were exaggerated and distorted out of all proportion of course.

nonsense crippen, you ought to be ashamed, or else youre blinkered, just like mr I D S. How can the growing number of deaths be taken out of proportion? And its good to know atos pulled out of their original contract due to lack of profit and not the increasing allegations and fecking deaths beacause of them! (inc dwp in this too)

How can the growing number of deaths be taken out of proportion?

People are dying all the time.
You simply take those who have something in common, in this case accusations of benefit fraud and then a mishap after benefits have been reduced or stopped and then blame the sanctions on their deaths.

I'm sure that if you scanned all of the many thousands of people who have had their benefits stopped, you would find even more candidates.
And if you also scanned those that were received benefits for ill health when they died you would find many more.

Navel

My point was made to illustrate that very fact. Where I presumably differ from you is that I don't claim to know why it happens or more specifically who are the machiavellian figures behind the scenes pulling the strings but what I do know is that politicans of any persuasion tend to fucck things up and then fucck things up again trying to correct what they have previously fuccked up. Anybody who believes their fairy stories is an idiot.

but you dont begrudge your taxes going to those who are already wealthy. You should try looking into some of the reasons why sick people (genuine sick people then) are called to interview every 3 months, many of whom are mentally incapable of forming answers to tick-box leading questions which will then eventually be deemed by dwp as proving those people are then fit for work...

CMAT it's never too late to learn to swim.

(it's metres btw)

Absolutely, but there's no need for the English lesson.

I'm with Cripps on this subject.  I hate paying for other people, the majority of whom I consider to be either lazy or useless or both.  The welfare state is broken.  It has created a class of uneducated irresponsible useless layabouts who think it is their right to spend all day in bed playing their X Boxes and breeding like vermin whilst forever  taking out of the pot with no danger of ever paying in.

The Welfare Budget is £119BN a year.

We are a hugely generous country. Our care for the young, the sick, the lone parents, those who look for jobs and those who don't, the disabled and the elderly is quite simply staggering.

The list at the start of this thread makes for grim reading though. As always it's easy to blame Govt and not family, friends and neighbours. The state is too big and is not there to replace family.

I'm sure many of us know people on benefits. I know of a lady who gets a brand new adapted car every 3 years which her son sometimes uses for work.... I know of someone else who is retired, owns their own home but has little income. She has 3 siblings.

Her boiler broke and she rang the council who paid for a new one. (£1500 perhaps??) At no point did the council ask her, to ask her well off siblings to help, or to move into a smaller home to generate cash flow.

Who pays for all of this? The private sector.

Whoever is in govt has to tackle this welfare budget. It's out of control and one can only hope the genuine people don't suffer.

Indeed Jockey. Very deep **** and some countries are even worse off.

Is it possible to give every unemployed person a job?  Say it was,(it isn't), would they earn enough to live off or would they have to claim Working Tax credit (Benefit) and Housing Benefit?  I think they would because thats what happens at the moment due to the low wage economy we have....so who would there be left to act as a scapegoat?

What prices are those houses DR?

By page ten they've crept up to £85,000

If you go to the other end of the scale, in the same general area a three bed can fetch up to £680,000.
It all depends where you look.

3 bed houses in scummy east London are £250 to £300 a week in the private sector.

The majority of jobs pay minimum wage or close to it. 

The result is full time workers claiming Housing Benefit.

Once you start to travel west towards the city, rent gets more expensive.

If this govt wants to save money, let it stop sending money to places like Africa.

Stop people in the UK owning holiday homes for an income, whack them with a tax bill for it.

Stop paying 650 parasites in Westminster their expenses while they get paid £70k a year.

That's a start.

Why would you want to stop people from letting houses anyway?

To lower the Housing Benefit bill.

People on low wages should live in council houses, which don't cost £300 a week, like private rents do.

Thatcher sold them off, and for reasons unknown, she told councils not to use the money to build more council houses.

Perhaps Mister Badger can answer the question as he seems to rate his own knowledge so highly.

So where would these people who are renting now live if we didn't have LHA?

In your own time MB. I'll be back in the morning to read your answer.

Perhaps Dr Crippen can answer my question first:

(12:08 on 18 November)

Of course there's no chance whatsoever that you've made that all up, is there Crippen? Out of interest, how do you know all these details, do you follow them around making notes?... PS Have heard of the term "hydrotherapy"?

Can you claim for Ebola?

As stated before, people waiting on medicals to claim PIP has been done on purpose, to force a percentage to give up their claims, many have, some have died, what happens is, in a high number of cases is, people are refused, the appeal, win their appeal after waiting a long time, then theyre called in again for another assessment, refused and appeal again, a constant cycle of punishment, leading to extreme anxiety for many mentally affected claimants...it stands out a a mile!! i despise all theyre doing....the most criminal gov't in this country's entire history.