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Cuckoo land. Do they never learn?
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No it isn't.
And Yes it looks as if they have. Why should paying staff enough to live on be seen as such an evil? |
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How do the businesses survive without upping prices?
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doesn't work in practice as the next level of wages increase and so on - then prices increase ,so ultimately those out of work are worse off as benefits won't fall in line
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Well it's a nice leftie headline to please the gullible.
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They COULD try (especially the biggest companies) taking it from some their massive profits..... Also they COULD try closing the gap between the highest and lowest paid a bit. Years of %age wage increases have, because of their compound nature, brought about a massive difference. Now, SOME people earn huge salaries, and MOST people don't earn enough to pay for their Mortgage/rent, utilities and food.
It has nothing to do with fecking Leftie/rightie - just fairness. |
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if your in a job you shouldn't need alot of extra support from government via benefits imo. Companies should start to carry their weight and not be subsidised by tax payer
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A £1.50 per hour increase by 2020 isn't exactly radical, is it ?
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you would think it would naturally increase in 6 years by that small amount
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£8 by 2020. Seems a bit like Tony Blair's 10 year plans which were his answer to most problems knowing of course that he wouldn't be around by then.
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they could pay more ,that's down to management surely- example at the moment ,Sainsburys and ALDI pay more than ASDA - but how will the hard working cleaner ALREADY on £8.00 an hour feel about a group alongside them effectively getting a pay rise ?
will the cleaner get a rise too ? |
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Tnose nice Labour people, IF they get in, want to increase the minimum wage to £8 an hour OVER A FULL TERM IN OFFICE.
For those on minimum pay now, that's a rise of £3,000 over a few years, and their gross wage will still be only £16,600 a year for a 40 hour week. Meanwhile, back in the pig trough, MPs are in line for a 9% pay rise this year, as if £67k per annum, plus all expenses (fiddled or otherwise) wasn't enough. |
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I think the solution is to make sure the taxes paid by those in work is collected in a fair way , and such funds are spent in a way that benefit everyone and help those on very low incomes with maybe help towards housing costs - there seems very little help out there for folk on the minimum wage who have rent/a mortgage to pay
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i think the answer is maybe to become skilled at money management and help yourself in the big jungle ,because it is a jungle .
look for ways to save money ,without cutting standards - don't be a slave to the wage learn to do your own repairs etc,find the best deals - don't get caught up in it all - and ignore advertising it's all a big gimmick . simples ! |
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Decrease rent prices and everyone will be happy, except the greedy landlords.
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Miliband has got this spot on. Something has to be done.
I buy for the company, do payroll & accounts (along with 2 others) If i told you how much an hour i was on you`d laugh, while those at the top drive 55k cars and have second homes. |
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You can blame rent rises on Thatcher selling off the council housing stock.
The low wage earners have to live somewhere, and £1,200 a month for a 3 bed house in east London isn't payable without claiming Housing Benefit. |
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£1200
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That's what I had to pay while waiting to move after I sold up back in 2005.
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If house prices/rents decreased then you would have millions of people in negative equity. Dammed if you do dammed if you don`t.
However rather than the banks creating money out of thin air to pump into the housing market hows about a change of direction to support businesses. |
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How many times have Governments and Banks promised this?
Without ever delivering. |
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By 2020 it will not be far off that anyway. But they have nothing else to offer this country, Milliband is unelectable.
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He should make it £15 if he wants to get elected.
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SO why aren't you at the top with a £55k car and second home with 'them' on a few £'s per hour. Not your fault I'm sure.
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(Shanelee)
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Just another reason why the GBP (not the pound) will never vote in Millybandy.
30p a year rise and it just coincides with another General Election. Fruitless and stupid.. Words utterly fail me with Con Part2. Maybe they don't actually want to win the next election? |
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should be living wage, which doesnt need support from benefits and also not taxed.
Once you start earning over minimum then they can tax you. No point giving it in minimum wage and then taxing a big chunk of it back |
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WE should pull a committee together to find the OPTIMUM setup for wages and tax - problem is, whatever we decided, SOMEONE would not be pleased and not vote for us. :(
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A lot of people unemployed don't find going to work is worthwhile financially so they are quite content to sign on and claim benefits, and imo, I can't blame them, most people signing are unskilled workers who would be employed on or close to the minimum wage if they got a job, there are far more unskilled jobs available then there are skilled, many of those jobs get filled by immigrants who don;t worry about rent considering they share 10 to a room, given non immigrants spend more on rent then anything else every week, if social housing rents decreased by 50% next week, unemployment would drop like a stone, if only it were that simple
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Guinness: Words utterly fail me with Con Part2. Maybe they don't actually want to win the next election?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they don't. I read on the BBC news site some months ago that there's a massive 'black hole' in Council Tax revenue due to the Tories bringing in individual council changes to the amounts unemployed and low paid workers have to contribute. ie - whereas before the ToryDumb changes the unemployed didn't have to make any contributions towards council tax, they now have to pay whatever their local council decide - which can range from 0% (very rare now) to any sort of percentage - about 30% being the average (I think). This led almost immediately to JSA people on 70ish quid a week not being able to take a cut (which in effect it was) of their payments to fork out a extra £4-5 a week out of their money, so they haven't been making the payments. Thus, there will be one hell of an uproar about it in the near future because people are in even more poverty than was ever considered by the Thatcherite Scumbags (of both parties) - and the local councils, who are supposed to be cutting their spending even more, will be so insolvent it will become a national crisis. Does Miliband want to preside over that barrel of fish, amongst other barrels of chickens coming home to roost (yes, I know - but it is my way of explaining things!)? I very much doubt it. |
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Its true. I know some people who actually have to pay towards their rent with their own money now.
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If it only were that simple. Only if you're Ed Milliband
Ooh things are much better now much better now Giving it all away. |
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so ****g what
if the next government is a labour government taxes will shoot up and no one will be better off unless they are either out of work or sad bastards who don't smoke, drink or drive |
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not always, but more often than not the ChitChatters are capable of having a decent debate on political issues without it descending into personal attacks & mindless venom. If this had been on Politics there'd be blood, sn0t & badly damaged handbags all over the shop by now.
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Agree with Sultan, the politics forum is more tribal than the football forum.
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interesting point tommy - Bristol (where I am)
is one of those very few places where unemployed do not have to pay a portion of council tax. |
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Many employers pay the minimum wage knowing that Family/Working Tax Credits will top up their employees' pay.
I understand why Labour brought this benefit in (to help peeps pay rent/mortgages) but it takes away responsibility from employers and it fuels apathy among the workers to get a better paid job. I know a single parent family on a minimum wage who have their money more than doubled by benefits. So they're effectively TAKING HOME £14 an hour. It's a pretty odd way to run an economy... |
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(I am unemployed and was amazed to learn that any unemployed have to pay it : JSA after all is calculated on the basis of being 'the amount you need to live on' - no CT element in it)
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