Labour to increase minimum wage to £8

I`ll not go into detail but a relative works for a giant just outside Sheffield, he`s in a good position within the company.

The stories he tells me re profits, which are astronomical and the £6.50ph more or less all the warehouse staff etc are on. The money
those at the top actually receive and screw the company out of you wouldn`t believe.

Those at the bottom work so hard, i know because i spent a week there, they all struggle like hell financially when the company makes eye watering profits. It`s a company/brand everyone has heard of.

I can well imagine, Shanelee.

The Thatcher legacy lives on and on and on in this (almost) totally non-productive of anything worthwhile in this country, which was once totally self-sufficient, indeed a powerhouse, in every 'heavy' industry for national security.

Due to that diabolical woman  Britian is now a 'Service Industry' and everyone should be 'thankful' for just having some soul-destroying job on £6.31 an hour, zero contracted work.

I really AM going to dig the evil bitch up and shoot her!

totally non-productive of anything worthwhile in this country
______

absolutely correct Tommy - most jobs are mickey mouse ,fabricated jobs - some given ridiculous titles - but as you say ,bugger all is produced - just a nation of passing bits of paper around in effect

we are in a mess

Well well well.

The Gestapo Betfair police are on my tail as I post.

I made mention of the Trades Unions in my post of 15:16 - which I've only just realised has been obliterated by Betfair before it even appeared.

Absolutely, Coach.

What's the betting no one is allowed to be a member of a Trades Union at Betfair?

scandanavian_haven    21 Sep 14 13:47 
A lot of people unemployed don't find going to work is worthwhile financially so they are quite content to sign on and claim benefits, and imo, I can't blame them, most people signing are unskilled workers who would be employed on or close to the minimum wage if they got a job, there are far more unskilled jobs available then there are skilled, many of those jobs get filled by immigrants who don;t worry about rent considering they share 10 to a room, given non immigrants spend more on rent then anything else every week, if social housing rents decreased by 50% next week, unemployment would drop like a stone, if only it were that simple

What social housing?

I don't know about anywhere else, but Newham Council stock was snapped up by all that could afford it when Thatcher let it all go at 33% off. 

It was a working class area, and I never knew anybody that owned their own house. 

Now, in the same place, apart from the very old, who couldn't get a mortgage in 1980, I don't know anybody who lives in a council house.

And if other poor London Boroughs did the same, there's not a lot of council houses left when you consider how many there were pre-1980.

The Tax Credit bill for low paid immigrants is £5billion per year.

The Housing Benefit bill for low paid workers in London and the south east is probably the same. 

Evictions in Newham are common (and probably other boroughs) where families have paid lots of rent, but the dodgy landlords haven't paid all the mortgage.

They pay the minimum deposit for a property, then start collecting.

They take as much as they can from tenants and pay the minimum amount to keep the bailiffs at bay, while they collect more rent. Then they vanish when the bailiffs are eventually forced to move in.

They don't mind you shooting the old biatch though..

Tommy, all building sites frown upon Trade Union membership.

And lack of it, where you get told 'Do it, or you're fired' is why there are so many accidental deaths on those sites.

CMAT, the way Britain 'works' now since Thatcher I would imagine you wouldn't have a chance of getting a job if you said at the interview stage that you were a member of a Trades Union.

Would probably be £7.50 by then anyway.  My ears would have pricked up a bit more if they made it £9 or even £10 an hour.  Businesses will always cry about how they cant afford it, my advice would be to ignore them and carry on raising the minimum wage above inflation.  Bit different in the south, but a couple doing menial jobs in say tesco or macds on £9/hour would be taking home about £2500 a month between them.  Up north tha is a decent wedge on which you could realistically pay your own rent and bills, go out on the town now and then, run a car, go on a budget holiday once a year.  That is the way it should be.  London is another matter of course, should be £12 an hour there.

Rob, as Guinness said earlier, it's a 'promise' of 30p an hour over the next 6 years, per year.

It's such an appalling 'promise' he really is making himself look like a total Richard Head for even coming out with it.

I didn't care either way working for firms with a trade union membership as I never needed any union help.

The downside of firms with a union is once an idiot has been there for 3 months or more, it's harder to get rid of the idiot by dismissal. Also, everybody doing the same job is on the same pay, but you always get slackers and slowcoaches. Why should they get paid the same? 

The upside of non-union firms is they treat people like sheep. They rely on you not asking for a pay rise, and staying in line with all the other sheep, so they start you on lower pay than you're worth.

But, if you think you're worth more, go and ask for it. And if you are worth it, you'll probably get it, but you'll be told (not asked, but told) - 'Don't tell anybody else.'   

Then when you get fed up after 6 years and you want to leave, but stir the sh!t, leave all your wage slips in your locker or your desk, which is the first thing the workers will raid when you're gone.

Just thinking out loud, a significantly higher minimum wage would be a good way of diminishing the north south divide.  With the well known disparity incost of living between north and south, then a good minimum wage would give you much more disposable income up north than down south.  At 6.50/ houryou are struggling to survive(without benefits) wherever you live.

cmat, agree there might not be as many council homes as before, but plenty of people still live in them, and then there is the rise of the Housing Associations (biggest provider of newly built social housing, the rent is meant to be affordable (whatever that means) but they are not, not in real terms, their own service charges are unregulated unlike the rents which have government caps, rent or mortgages is a killer for most people and is more important than minimum wage, but yes in London is really should be 10 quid bare minimum.

Milliband reckons raising the Min Wage will save the tax payer '100s of millions of pounds in welfare benefits'.

I'm not sure how he can possibly make such a claim. Tax credits and other benefits will still kick in at £8 an hour in 2020 given inflation over the next few years is bound to increase.

Whoever is advising him must be dafter than him.

Minimum wage in the State of Washington is raised to $15 an Hour
People crying, why should we pay a fast food worker $15 an Hour, will have to lay 1 in 10 staff off,
A Lot of working class Americans are all doing 2-3 jobs,
I had 3 months in Washington State this year,
Lots of poverty and War veterans on the streets,
Legalising D0pe has Not helped,Its Not the Dream its made out to be,
Locking up and Detaining Illegals is Big Business.

how olds call me a taxi,
if your think your worth more go ask for it you,ll probably get it, ,

in the real world as explained above for many reasons,your boss will ring dave or gideon up and say can you send me over a couple more people on jsa, and if those people say no they,ll lose their benefits,camerons providing multi million pound global companies with free labour, it stinks
the only way the low paid will get decent pay rises is when they run out of people to do the jobs, with new rules regarding losing benefits if refusing a job this will never happen,theres a conveyor belt of a million plus press ganged jsa claimants straight from no 10 to every supermarket,tele sale,call centre etc in the country

if good old labour hadn't imported millions from eastern europe and the third world the situation would be better than it is now

The reason for high immigration into the UK is to bring wages down.
It's also pushed up rents through high demand for housing.

If wages are raised through legislation then what is the point of the immigration?
We'd be back where we started with wages, but now stuck with shortages of housing and a terrific burden on public services which isn't going away.
Worse off in every respect, but then that's how Labour operate isn't it?

How many companies pay minimum wage because they have to by law, even though they may be struggling to make a profit, and how many companies pay it because they know,
because of the huge supply, they can get away with it ?
I am probably being very naive, but cant wages be linked to profit in some way? Something like the wages of the lowest paid 50pc of a companies workforce, is somehow linked to profit?

There was no housing crisis before New Labour got in, and public services were nowhere near as bad as they are now. Especially schools where English for many of the pupils is now their second language.
Nearly everything was better before New Labour got in.

And Miliband thinks that raising the minimum wage will win him the next election.

Never mind raising the minimum wage to £8 by 2020.
I'd be satisfied if he could get the country back to where it was before the 1997 general election.

Does this mean dole money will jump rapidly ... maybe time to quit online poker

I think it would a good idea...but only if we can afford it
we cannot pay ourselves money we have not got

Otherwise it will drive up inflation, adversely affecting those on fixed incomes
and could increase unemployment

One of Millibands most important tasks in my opinion, is to separate Labour from immigration
He will have little chance of improving any one's standard of living if we just
keep letting more people in...this needs to stop, except for skills we need, the only exception.

More people in our country, increases the cost of infrastructure needed to support them....not a good idea

2020

maybe i'll of perfected one of Brassnecks systems by thatta time

Those providing goods and/or services (i.e. employers) will always want to keep their costs down so as to maximise their profit and/or the competitiveness with other similar providers , and staff are just another resource required to create those goods/services. If as a permie for a company you think when it comes to the crunch you are anything other than a resource then you are sadly mistaken, it doesn’t matter if you run a department or clean the bogs you’ll be dropped like a bag sh&t as soon as it’s better for the balance sheet to do so and that I’m afraid is just business and life.

Therefore wage levels tend to be very much down to supply and demand or the labour/skills required for those jobs. Labour in their desire to increase their client voter base and generally p&ss off anyone that has a conservative outlook (Blair is on record openly admitting to the second point), over stimulated the supply of labour via their open door immigration policy and signing up to free movement of labour in the EU.
Hence rates have been depressed at all levels for over 10 years.

Don't most jobs pay like £7.80 per hour anywy .. it's all more bullsh^t smoke & mirrors for the masses !!

£7.80 ????? That must be something for something pretty crappy. Given the average wage in the uk is about 26.5k which for an 8 hour day works out at £12.75 per hour. If you never even get to that as an adult then you've probably made some choices in life that are less than optimal.

The problem is that if we come out of the EU, then we lose business
a lot of multi national companies base factories here so they can import
into Europe without paying a tariff

So we may lose out if we come out the EU

so what can we do??????????????????????

Still we vote Governments in to sort these problems out, sadly they fail
Or to be more exact they govern for their own ideologies
not for the benefit of this country...and initiate populist policies
which may not benefit us long term

I have little hope of any party sorting this country out

pawras..you do not really know how poorly some people are paid

New Labours immigration policy was suicide for this country

but I believe a country has a responsibly to all citizens in it country

although I accept we cannot interfere with the law of supply and demand

we deal with its effects

If we left the EU they’d do f all in reality because we’re too much of an important market for Germany (leaders of the fourth Reich) and their cars. Therefore there’s no way they’d hit us with any restrictions or tariffs because we could just as easy reciprocate.

You’re right I am probably a bit detached these days but I did my time in the bottom 10% , I just didn’t stay there.

pawras ,not many jobs pay 26k i'm afraid

New Labours immigration policy was suicide for this country

It was far worse for the lowest paid, the sector that Labour is supposedly trying to represent. Why on earth the unions never spoke out against mass immigration is beyond me,it destroyed all the lower paid bargaining positions. Never mind,between now and next May, we will hear a succession of free lunches from each of the main parties all offering us strawberries and cream to buy votes.

I agree tree top...it punished the people New Labour were supposed to be protecting
the lowest paid!

Milliband has to stop this.

My idea is in the future we have fewer people in this country,
we adjust our population to the wealth of the country.

Once we have full employment, that pushes up wages for the lowest paid
because employers have to bid for their services

We can no longer assume our economy will keep expanding, it wont

Glad some people realise the damage that the labour party did with the get in free card, stitched up every low paid uk worker.

destroyed a generation, probably the biggest mistake ever made by an elected government.

All this reminds me of an old Dilbert cartoon. Hope the link works

http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Carbon%20Paper

There's so much naivety on this thread.

Like there was no immigration before New Labour started it!
Or the average wage is what we're all earning.

Ivor, pawras.
Not everyone can earn enough to be in the higher paid bracket. It isn't a sign of excellence to have or to earn more than someone else. quite often it is luck.

There are MILLIONS of low paid people.

This thread exposes the shiit attitude of those who look down on such people merely because they earn more money.
The same ones who blame 'New Labour' for everything bad that ever happens and who think that by being 'Right wing' they're somehow better than those who aren't.

The division in wealth in this country is nearly all due to a few people (and corporations) making and keeping most of the money whilst at the same time keeping the majority, who most need it and would spend it, from having any.

How about making the minimum wage £10 or more an hour? Think about it. The money would all be spent instead of locked into bank accounts and other wealthy assets. More circulation of money would help more businesses, VAT and other taxes could be reduced and because of the upturn in spending companies would have more money to afford the increased wage bill. People wouldn't need to do more than 1 job, freeing up some of the jobs for those who need one.

The only ones who really moan about the possibility of giving the less well-off the chance to be slightly better off are those who have plenty themselves.
Or the CBI, which represents the interests of the richest companies.

There is nothing wrong with making it a little fairer for everyone. Unless it's some sort of jealousy thing.

I seriously cannot understand why the same people appear on so many threads on so many topics and trot out the "It's Labour's fault" maxim.

btw, I am not a Labour member, I have never even voted for them. But, this never blaming the Tories for anything shows blinkered ignorance.

never read such deluded rubbish^^^


do you realise the population went up by 6m under the labour/brown term ?

All low paid jobs.

It's fortunate for all us clever dicks that the discussion is academic as we all (pretend ?) to make more from our betting every week than poor sods earning just the minimum wage.

Whilst some posters think Milliband unelectable (and I agree) that's not to say he wont be....and if he is God save this country from him,Balls,Harman and Mrs Balls (Cooper).

Ibrahima...

6 million people eh?

No natural population growth, no older people or kids, eh?
And they've ALL taken the jobs we should be giving to our own unemployed.... eh?

Which political party actually consigned this country to the common market, btw?

No corporations or businesses (or coal mines or factories) closed down until Blair/brown came along, did they?

I'll bet you want to make sure that the poor displaced sods don't get any benefits either, because they'd only be scrounging, wouldn't they?

and YOU call ME deluded!!!!!!!

It's often misquoted that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". So many times I see this represented on here.

Labour this .. Labour that .. Blah Blah Blah !!!

anybody would think the kn0bs were actually in power

I did not mention any growth, their were 6m non british people that came to the uk under brown.

The rest of your ramblings make no sense at all.

Oh, The "All low paid jobs" was a typo. I didn't realise.
And it's 'There', not 'Their'. The population increase (which I'm not for a second supporting) was not "All overseas cheap labour".
If you think less immigration would mean less need for a minimum wage which is enough to live on, then you are both confused and wrong.

For anyone prepared to read and consider what I wrote. It makes perfect sense - you don't have to agree with it, but it makes sense.

McMoonbeam. The UK existed before 1997.
Most of our problems emanate from the period before this. Not that all the entrenched unchanging views so prevalent on here will admit it.

It has nothing to do the minimum wage, its about stiching up the generation who would normally start jobs on a low wage, below your leftie wage, if you like.

Labour have destroyed a generation, they have stopped a generation from doing the jobs that past generations did in the past, they start low and build on that. Become useful and become valued by their/there employer.

You dont realise the damage labour have done, ruined the prospects of whole generation. No doubt they will be labelled as workshy.

I have no idea what a 'Leftie' wage is.
For some reason - many people on here use the word 'Leftie' as some sort of insult or derogatory term. A continuation of this "I'm a Tory so I'm better than you" attitude.

This country was fecked by the ****s who were in from 1979.

The ones who closed everything, cut everything, privatised what was left, bribed people who they knew would know no better with shares (the value of which was more than offset by the increase in everyone's bills), sold unsellable, often worthless properties to people who would still be stuck in them forever - whilst stopping councils from building any more. The ones who slaughtered the NHS, who gave fortunes to advertisers and bankers and the list could go on and on, not that you'll believe it.

You don't realise the IRREPARABLE, lasting damage Thatcher did and ruined the present for us and the future for our kids etc...
Blair (ex young-conservative and public school pupil) and his entourage, just continued where the previous government left off, and as the career politician he was/is got out just in time to let the (pretty ineffectual) Brown take the rap for his massive errors. Now Cameron/Osborne have just continued it further.
They've ALL treated us like mugs and filled their own boots at our expense. The need for a minimum wage shouldn't even be up for debate. It is, however the subject of this thread.

We haven't had a decent government since Atlee. We probably won't get one again.

I've had enough of this now and I'm going to bed. I really couldn't care less if you or anyone else agrees or wants to argue, ibrahima.
It's a waste of time and Cameron is probably at Blair's house or yacht or something sharing a brandy and some drugs whilst having a laugh about the Plebs. Which, btw includes you and me.

Labour are a bag of shyte and say nothing to me as a poor man .

The thing i hate most though about any govt isn't the fact that low paid work exists ,but that those who choose not to take those jobs are bullied into applying for them or face sanctions .

Those low wage jobs are ideal ,if you happen to be the second wage earner  in the family,are getting top ups or are an immigrant from a country where £8 an hour represents good value .

If i was unemployed,  i would resent being told which jobs i'm good for .

it's not about raising the minimum wage ,that's a simpleton idea - it's more about the standard of living  for that person in society -

if someone is bullied into a minimum wage job , at least allow that person some other form of rebate ,maybe council tax relief etc

if you are from a hard working white family lets say you can trace back 50+ years, wtf would you vote labour if you live in rotherham

if you are an immigrant from the asian continent going back 50 years, wtf would you NOT vote labour if you live in rotherham   

work that fkr out for yourselves

1st time poster    21 Sep 14 19:31 
how olds call me a taxi,
if your think your worth more go ask for it you,ll probably get it,

I'm 63.

And I got it.

That's how non-union firms work.

Some really good posts on this subject, especially the last 6 or so.
cmat.. I'm 65, and, like you, I asked and I got... but it doesn't work like that these days.

any mention of labour ending zero hour contracts ?

£8 an hour must seem like a great incentive for the poles to stay,
as they have been heading home in their droves, to be replaced by
romanians

I agree with coachbuster

one cannot always interfere with market forces, but I do think everybody does deserve a decent minimum standard of living

and yes Donny, I would like to get back to the idea of people getting a weekly wage

johnizere    22 Sep 14 09:21 
Some really good posts on this subject, especially the last 6 or so.
cmat.. I'm 65, and, like you, I asked and I got... but it doesn't work like that these days.

It worked up to 2002, that was the last time I did it.

The only reason some wages/salaries are considered 'low' is because of the Elephant in the Room.....

House prices.

For decades the housing boom has been regarded as a good thing when really it's a disaster for so many. House price increases were rarely included in inflation figures. Utter madness!

Prices went up 10-20% a year whilst wages went up less than 5% and now of course barely by 1%.

Where I live a one bed flat costs £800 a month to rent. To buy...£150k. Let's say you want to leave mum and dad and buy a pad. You'll need a 5% deposit of £7.5k and a mortgage of £142.5k. I'm hoping he/she doesn't have a uni debt....

I pity the young. What have we done....

Agree with Injera.  The cost of housing (buying or renting) is too high and is what makes the minimum wage appear so low.  Traditionally house prices going up has been a vote winner as the baby boomer generation felt they were rich but really all they were doing was fkin up the future chances of buying for their own children.

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It has nothing to do the minimum wage, its about stiching up the generation who would normally start jobs on a low wage, below your leftie wage, if you like.

Labour have destroyed a generation, they have stopped a generation from doing the jobs that past generations did in the past, they start low and build on that. Become useful and become valued by their/there employer.

You dont realise the damage labour have done, ruined the prospects of whole generation. No doubt they will be labelled as workshy.

Great post.The  Labour Party destroyed manual labour jobs and many HGV contracts for the people already doing the job

You think Cameron is going to give you anything, dream on

Tories since Thatcher want to detach government from society, government want to make laws and collect taxes that is all,

everything else is market forces
Tthis will not help anyone near the bottom

Controlling immigration is key, while there is a housing shortage, free markets will take prices
through the roof

Even if we have to come out of EU, immigration control is that important

How on earth can we ever build enough houses for everybody if we just let more people in????

We cannot change the past

but in the future we control our immigration

We need fewer not more people in this country

There is another problem, the fact that the rent sector is booming, means it becomes profitable
to buy to rent, which makes it even harder fro people just to buy, because this forces house prices
up, because of the competition.

You watch 'Homes under the Hammer', people buy cheap, refurbish, then rent...good money to be made

The only thing that will stop this is more houses, including council houses, we may have to suspend people
buying them.

None of this is any good if we let more and more people in.

There is another problem, the fact that the rent sector is booming, means it becomes profitable
to buy to rent, which makes it even harder fro people just to buy, because this forces house prices
up, because of the competition.

You watch 'Homes under the Hammer', people buy cheap, refurbish, then rent...good money to be made

The only thing that will stop this is more houses, including council houses, we may have to suspend people
buying them.

None of this is any good if we let more and more people in.

How on earth can we ever build enough houses for everybody if we just let more people in????

So obvious. Just too many people in the UK.
I've just got back from travelling in Denmark, Sweden, Germany and France and the moment you drive off the ferry back in the UK you realise how ridiculously overcrowded we are and now have a road system which struggles to cope with the sheer volume of traffic.
The Govts answer to this as with housing is to build more roads.
And then let even more people in ............

MPs would STILL be on £1 an hour more than minimum wage, even if they worked 24 hours a day a for their £67,000 salary.

And minimum wage earners don't get expense accounts they can fiddle.

I'm sure small variations of this conversation took place in 1914, 1814, 1714, 1614 and back.. and will again in 2114 and forwards.

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I didn't care either way working for firms with a trade union membership as I never needed any union help.

The downside of firms with a union is once an idiot has been there for 3 months or more, it's harder to get rid of the idiot by dismissal. Also, everybody doing the same job is on the same pay, but you always get slackers and slowcoaches. Why should they get paid the same?

The upside of non-union firms is they treat people like sheep. They rely on you not asking for a pay rise, and staying in line with all the other sheep, so they start you on lower pay than you're worth.

But, if you think you're worth more, go and ask for it. And if you are worth it, you'll probably get it, but you'll be told (not asked, but told) - 'Don't tell anybody else.'   

Then when you get fed up after 6 years and you want to leave, but stir the sh!t, leave all your wage slips in your locker or your desk, which is the first thing the workers will raid when you're gone. Devil




I dont think the bit about as;king for a wage rise is realistic now

I got a job a few weeks ago via an agency working for a food company , packing , dispatch etc.It was £6.31 an hour and i lasted 6 shifts , must be 200+ workers on each shift and 80% if not more are foreign.I mean Spanish/Argentenians/Polish/Romanians and thats the only ones who i spoke too I seriously think they could be from anywhere though as the photocopier was broke so no one had to show any id or N/I or anything.

Also this is food we see advertised on TV everyday and most of us will have some of it in our cupboards.

There is still the factory staff who where there before agency took over , on my 2nd day they threatened to strike for a wage rise and where told they would just be covered by agency workers and bottled out.

I took my id in the first 2 days as was told the copier was down , a guy who had been there a few month said its never on , after that i left it behind.So i could have been anyone an they didnt give a sh1t.I honestly didnt know that illegal work was still being carried out in major brand food factories.

You would think the original workers who have been there 20 years etc would have something to say about it though s it effects their wages.

We got told as at the interview/induction thing dont talk about anything in the factory , i thought they meant recipes etc

also if you want overtime forget it

overtime kicks in after 48 hours and goes up to a whopping £6.51 per hour

also if you want overtime forget it

overtime kicks in after 48 hours and goes up to a whopping £6.51 per hour


How much food did you manage to nick?

never bothered about it , you would need a truck load to make cash its not meat or that its biscuits and cereal bars etc

pallet load would get you a few ton , i just hopped in a bus and got the fck out of there without one day

The First rule of Food Factory ...

i took the job thinking ill batter out the hours until xmas but with no overtime that was not really appealing

can make £6 an hour on here easier , 24/7

whats the first rule moonbeam?

I was joking after reading ..

We got told as at the interview/induction thing dont talk about anything in the factory , i thought they meant recipes etc

I've tried working in those sh^tholes too .. when i was 17 i got a job in a sandwich factory .. i walked out at lunchtime & never went back .. i'd rather be homeless tbh

Was that on the dual carriageway at Sighthill chaser?

yes akubula

Maybe i should go back for a week .. it might make me start to value what i have a bit more as i seem to of lost the value of money

haha moanbeam hell holes aint they

moanbeam i thought i would hack it until christmas and have extra cash

thing is you are in a jail basically , they said even at lunch we cant eave unless its an emergency and even if that we couldnt make it frequent , incase of fire they said so we know whos in the building  well maybe the guards should check you in and not just let you walk past

leave*

I worked out of a small office near there, Saughton. One of my staff left to work there, told me we were slave drivers.
At the end of his first day he was on the phone looking for his job back.

there is a royal mail up there also , they have gave me an interview for the xmas work

£8 i think for sundays and overtime , i  might just leave it though , cant be fooked working after that week or so there

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I worked out of a small office near there, Saughton. One of my staff left to work there, told me we were slave drivers.
At the end of his first day he was on the phone looking for his job back. Laugh



hahaha mate honestly its a disgrace , it would drive anyone insane

someone i spoke to had been there 30 years

did you give him a job back?

I said to him "You more or less told me to stick my job up my erse"
He replied !Aye but I didnae swear or anything"
He was a good cashier and the punters liked him so I took him back.

haha thats good of you , if you sent him back there he may not have survived long

!Aye but I didnae swear or anything"

there is a pub right round the corner from it also so if i stayed i would have spent more in there than i made anyway

The boy was alright apart from being a Hibee that hated Hearts and Rangers.
When I left I'd made him up to a deputy manager then he made manager and I think is still there.

The silver something? Bit of a dive. We had a unit next to it.

the one i mean is crofter now but there is another i never caught the name of further up the road

where you based there long or did the job move about

quick google search suggest its the silver wing right next to one i mean

that will be the one i seen and never caught name off as is looks close

That's it the Silver Wing. Pretty tough but the punters were okay with the staff in the shop we had there.
I was there on and off for about 12 years. I covered the borders as well so a lot of driving involved.

Was great when I used my own car and claimed mileage, a good earner, but then we were given company cars.

what is it you done anyway if you dont mind me asking

yeah quite a rough looking area , a lot of the high rises got demolished  few year back but still a sh1t hole , i had a mate who moved there about 7 year ago , i had a few drinks in his house etc but not boozers but he ended up in jail

not far to go to jail though i suppose

I was an operations controller for a bookie responsible for 28 shops in the patch I worked.
Hiring/firing/training/deployment of staff and shop maintenance etc etc

Good night chaser I'm off to bed.

was watching motd2 waste of time

decent job then , so do betting shop managers not get to hire i take it?

To  pi ssed up now but will tell a story of how it really is in the morning