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So infallible humans who earn £133k a year are unaccountable for their incompentency??
You're a wind up merchant or work in the public sector or unemployed. Which part of the report do you disagree with? The enquiry said Shoesmith's department failed at 'every level'. A baby died FFS. He didn't HAVE TO DIE!! Do you agree with Shoesmith's audacity to claim a penny? Do you agree she was harshly sacked? I don't care about Balls or what the QC ruled. I care about Baby Peter. He was killed. The social services+police+NHS knew what was going on and they let him down in an unimaginable way. I repeat, social workers are incredible. But when the boss screws up and presides over a department so flawed it allows a baby to die, she should be sacked and receive nothing, zero. |
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Calm down Injera,
so wasn't all down to social services then? And yes, I do know a child died and it will happen again because there are cruel and devious people out there regardless of what social workers may try and do to prevent such events. |
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Furthermore, if you do want to dismiss an employee there are procedures that need to be adhered to.
Ed Balls as a law-maker should have known that. |
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Devious, these people who committed this atrocity outsmarted the social workers then. They must have had a combined IQ of 1. Tells you everything you need to know about the people in charge of a child protection dept that could be took in by individuals who were as thick as pigshit.
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https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/socialworker.aspx
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Maria Colwell, fatally beaten by her scumbag stepfather, died soon after he took her to hospital of severe internal injuries and brain damage. The slag got 8 years, but it was reduced to 4 years on appeal. I’d have shot the coont in the stomach and quite happily watched him die in agony. What was the outcome of the enquiry? Children at risk : a study by the East Sussex County Council into the problems revealed by the Report of the Inquiry into the case of Maria Colwell and repeated "it must never happen again” 1984 Jasmine Beckford, 4, starved and battered to death by her scumbag stepfather. He got 10 years for manslaughter. I’d have strung him up by his bollocks and stuck a red hot poker up his arse. The girls mother got 18 months for neglect. I’d have made sure she never had another child cby giving her a hysterectomy, with a rusty saw edge knife. “It must never happen again” 1984 Tyra Henry, 21 months old, died after being battered and bitten by her father. ‘Father’ is a term that should only be used for real men, not these coonts in these cases. He got a life sentence. Imo, like the others, he didn’t deserve to live. A report on the case found that the white social workers from Lambeth council tended to be too trusting of the family because they were black. If they’re black, white, pink or yellow with green facking spots, torture the coonts to death. “It must never happen again” 1984 Heidi Koseda starved to death in a locked room in Hillingdon, west London. Her stepfather, Nicholas Price, was jailed for life for her murder while her mother, Rosemary Koseda, was found guilty of manslaughter and detained in a high security psychiatric hospital. A private inquiry into her death found that the senior National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children inspector allocated to her case failed to investigate a complaint of child abuse made by a neighbour. He also tried to cover this up with a fictitious account of a visit to see the child. That coont should have been jailed as well. “It must never happen again” 1986 Kimberley Carlile, 4, was starved and beaten to death in Greenwich, south London. Her stepfather, Nigel Hall, received a life sentence for her murder while her mother was given 12 years' imprisonment for assault and cruelty. Hall frustrated attempts by social workers and health visitors to investigate. But an inquiry found that her death was avoidable and concluded that four key social work and health staff in Greenwich failed to apply the necessary skill, judgement and care in her case. “It must never happen again” 1987 Doreen Mason died of neglect after her mother and her boyfriend bruised, burnt and broke the 16-month-old's leg then failed to have her injuries treated. Christine Mason and Roy Aston were convicted of manslaughter and cruelty and each jailed for 12 years. Doreen was on the "at risk" register of Southwark council from birth. She slept on the floor where the couple put junk food for her to eat. A report said her social worker was inexperienced and given no proper training or supervision, and that Southwark social services department suffered from a "siege mentality" and "destructive mistrust" between senior managers. “It must never happen again” 1992 Leanne White, three, was beaten to death by her stepfather, Colin Sleate, who made her sleep on the floor. The girl suffered 107 external injuries and died of internal bleeding and repeated blows to the stomach. Sleate was jailed for life for the girl's murder while her mother, Tina, received 10 years for manslaughter. An inquiry concluded that her death could have been prevented if Nottinghamshire social services had responded properly to reports from her grandmother and neighbours that she was at risk. “It must never happen again” 1994 Rikki Neave, 6, was found strangled by his coat zipper in a wood near Peterborough. His drug addict mother, Ruth, was jailed after admitting cruelty towards Rikki and two of his three sisters. She hit them, burned them, threw them across the room and locked them outside. Neave had asked a succession of social workers to take the boy off her hands and told one she would kill Rikki if they did not do something. A report by the social services inspectorate three years later said fault primarily lay with senior management in Cambridgeshire social services department. “It must never happen again” 1999 Chelsea Brown, 2, was battered to death by her father. Robert Brown, who was jailed for life for her murder, had a criminal record for violence against children. Her mother, Maria Brown, was jailed for 18 months for child cruelty. The girl's social worker, Norma McDevitt, visited the family 27 times in the 10 weeks before her death. She took Chelsea to a paediatrician who said that six out of nine areas of bruising "had no plausible explanation" and at least one was deliberately inflicted. These findings should have triggered police involvement and a multi-agency case conference under Derbyshire county council's procedures, but neither happened. “It must never happen again” 2000 Victoria Climbié, 8, died from hypothermia in a tiny flat in Tottenham, north London, after suffering months of horrific abuse and neglect. Her aunt, Marie Thérèse Kouao, and her boyfriend, Carl Manning, were both jailed for life for the girl's murder in January 2001. A public inquiry into her death began in September 2001, which is expected to lead to sweeping reform of Britain's child protection services. It has heard that there were at least 12 chances for the agencies involved in her protection to have saved her. “It must never happen again” 2000 Lauren Wright, 6, was found dead after suffering a fatal punch or kick from her stepmother, Tracey Wright, which caused her digestive system to collapse. The woman was found guilty of manslaughter, as was the girl's father, Craig Wright, who had turned a blind eye to her abuse. Norfolk social services department has admitted it made serious mistakes and missed chances to save Lauren. An inquiry found that inter-agency coordination was "ineffective" and social workers had not acted with "due urgency". “It must never happen again” 2002 Ainlee Labonte, 2, was starved and tortured to death by her vicious parents, Leanne Labonte and Dennis Henry. The couple, from Plaistow, east London, were jailed for manslaughter for deliberately punching, scalding and burning the toddler, who had 64 scars and bruises on her body when she died. She weighed just 9.5kg (21lbs), about half the normal weight of a child that age. An inquiry into her death found that the health and social workers who should have protected her failed to do so because they were paralysed with fear of Leanne and Dennis. It criticised the staff and agencies involved for poor communication and for failing to carry out a proper assessment of the risks facing Ainlee. “It must never happen again” Peter Connelly Baby P, was a 17-month-old English boy who died in London after suffering more than fifty injuries over an eight- month period, during which he was repeatedly seen by Haringey Children's services and NHS health professionals. Baby P's real first name was revealed as "Peter" on the conclusion of a subsequent trial of Peter's mother's boyfriend on a charge of raping a two-year-old. His full identity was revealed when his killers were named after the expiry of a court anonymity order on 10 August 2009. The DES, now the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF), was sent a letter in February 2007 (six months before the death of Baby P), containing an allegation that child protection procedures were not being followed in Haringey, from a lawyer acting for a former social worker, who sent the letter to the then health secretary, Patricia Hewitt, who merely forwarded the letter on to the DCSF. Haringey Council then took out an injunction against the social worker, Nevres Kemal, banning her from speaking about child care in Haringey. Kemal's lawyer stated: "Hewitt bounced us onto the DES... the DES then advised us to write to the Commission for Social Care Inspection whom we had written to on the same day as we had written to Hewitt, copying in the letter to Hewitt and the relevant material. By that time of course they had an injunction against us so we couldn't go back to the inspectorate. The inspectorate had been properly advised at the time and had done nothing.” It must never happen again” |
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Injera • July 24, 2014 6:11 PM BST
So infallible humans who earn £133k a year are unaccountable for their incompentency?? You're a wind up merchant or work in the public sector or unemployed. Which part of the report do you disagree with? The enquiry said Shoesmith's department failed at 'every level'. A baby died FFS. He didn't HAVE TO DIE!! totally agree Injera It would not matter what job she was doing if she was found to be incompetent she should be sacked People earing a lot less than her help pay her wages...... If you think, she was not incompetent, and unfairly blamed, fine It is incompletely beyond me how anyone can argue an incompetent person has a right to hang on to a job at these wages. I do not expect social workers to prevent all child deaths, I just expect to carry out their job properly, like the rest of us. |
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There were 50,732 children on child protection registers or the subject of child protection plans in the UK as at 31 March 2013 (or 31 July 2013 in Scotland).
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I still expect her to do her job. Of course it is not easy.
Unless you think the charge was unfair, and she was not guilty, that is a fair defence That is her only defence. If she was incompetent it was proper to sack her. Get someone in who was can do the job |
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Do your job like everybody else has to do theirs. If you can't do it get out. This poncification around public sector workers astounds me.
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The problem with you wes is that you are advocating blind adherence to the letter of the law, but in this case there is a moral issue, which is the question of whether or not it is morally right for shoesmith to recieve anything at all for her monumental failure - sometimes the law is indeed "a ass".
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She won her case so I guess the judge did not agree.
You can sack as many social workers as you like, it will not stop parents who decide to neglect & kill their children. The best we can ever do is to make sure it doesn't happen very often. |
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It strikes me, having read through this thread, Wesdag, that you want to blame Ed Balls for doing the erroneous dismissal. Whilst not acceeding that Shoesmith should bear any responsibility for the actions of the department she was supposedly in charge of.
She should have facking resigned at the time. There can be no sympathy nor should there be payment from the public purse for any 'technicality' and this woman is, rightly, seen as the inept leader she obviously was found to be. It doesn't matter how Ed Balls handled the matter, at least he had the sense to sack her, which given the later evidence, proved to be the right move, not the wrong one. Just making a Party Political point to justify a ridiculous situation, where common sense should (but doesn't) prevail is of no consequence. The facts are simple; Shoesmith was on a bloody good wage for doing her job. She obviously wasn't as effective as she should have been and... Somebody died. Shoesmith was fired, the method may have been slightly flawed, but at least.... She wasn't prosected, though probably should have been. She saw an opportunity to make even more money for her "plight", and grasped it. Leaving the blame on the politician, when the proper move would have been to leave it alone. She has no scruples and is now, justly, being pilloried for her actions. Irrespective of the dotted i's and crossed t's, she SHOULD have left it alone. |
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Most people's gripe on here seems to be that she was on a good wage.
That will still not prevent people from killing their children even if she was being paid a footballer's salary. |
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How far off the mark are you. You really don't understand do you.
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I agree
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Tell that to the judge.
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Seems to me you have no compassion whatsoever Wesdag.You're more concerned that everything has been done within the laws of the country.
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She was paid, by anyone's standards, a massive amount that most people consider she shouldn't receive.
The wage she was on was supposed to represent the responsibilities she held. When she (albeit via her department's failings) didn't justify the wage then yes her good wage comes into question. The well-worn saying, wesdag, is "The law is an Ass". If ever it applied.... |
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I bet you thought OJ was innocent as well Wes
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Stop making stuff up bigmo.
Because I haven't joined the lynch mob that holds the pantomime villain Shoesmith solely responsible for the boy's death means that I have no compassion? Ed Balls has mugged you lot off it seems. When his knee-jerked and he sacked Shoesmith, he was not aware of all the other agencies such as the police and the NHS had failed as well. Always convenient for politicians/journalists to have a single scapegoat. |
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You seem bent on making a political point, wesdag.
Her job, and salary, were that of HEAD and therefore the one responsible and culpable if anything major happened. That doesn't make her a scapegoat. According to your reasoning it's all Ed Balls' fault. Perhaps Shoesmith should just get her job back and Ed Balls should be held accountable for the failings leading to the baby's death. |
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Don't come across as if she's done nothing wrong and it's everyone else's fault then. Show some compassion for that poor little boy and others that have suffered.
Yes you raise good points that need to be discussed but it's never going to stop people being utterly disgusted at the money she's received. |
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At no point have I said that she bears no responsibility for the tragedy.
The problem is Mr Balls tried to play politics with the issue and sacked as a cheap stunt. Several agencies bear some responsibility, not just Shoesmith. |
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*sacked her
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i dont understand wesdag.
You think she bears responsibility over the death of a defensless child. AND you think she is entitled to a £680k payment for this. No wonder this country is going down the pan. |
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Blame Ed Balls I'd suggest.
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I'd suggest that the system and the use of the word of the law rather than common sense is more the problem.
Or do you think Ed Balls was wrong to sack her? |
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Public sector workers are a risk-averse lot. That's why they choose to work in environments that shelter them from the consequences of their actions, and pick up a pension at the end of it.
No matter how carp they are at their jobs they're almost impossible to sack, and the closest you'll ever get to an apology from one of them who has f'cked up a portion of your life up is a terse letter from someone else saying: "we acknowledge that, on this occasion, mistakes were made." I say: pay them more, but give 'em contracts that stipulate that for every b@lls-up they make, they lose a percentage of their pension - no arguments. |
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wesdag, you personfy the petty-mindedness of the traditional civil servant, more concerned with the minor details of the admin rather than considering what is right or wrong... that is the problem with much of the public sector, nobody wants to take responsibility for anything, just as long as all the paperwork is filled in correctly
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Call me a taxi
Thankyou for compiling that list. I no longer can bother quite honestly as it continues to this day in the 'civil service' Having once been a member of this august body. simply, they do not give a fk - as long as they can get out of that office at 3 45 (I do not kid) that is it as far as they are concerned The number of concerned people I ever came in to contact with would be counted on one hand - not the ones who SAID they were concerned. What you have to realise is - the bean counters (accountants) are the ones who are important. How much it costs is the rule. I am so glad I am out of it. |
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I could tell you about departmental policies that tell you what reports you have to write - not ones you want to write (and based on evidence)
but I do not give a sh!^ t coz i am out of it!!! |
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I think wesdag views have become warped by his hatred of Ed Balls myself
this award is about as disgusting as it gets |
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What compensation does baby P, where is his life?
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I think wesdag views have become warped by his hatred of Ed Balls myself
agreed, he seems somewhat obsessed with him, which tends to undermine his argument |
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Mother Rosdeep Adekoya admits Mikaeel Kular killing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28483061 No doubt there will some wicked social workers to blame for this. |
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*will be
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This tragic story has no bearing on the money being awarded to Shoesmith.
And yes, if there is so much ineptitude among the social services system that blame COULD be apportioned to them, they should take blame. Obviously such terrible things cannot often be foreseen, but in some cases they can. The Baby P case was one which was on the radar of social services. Shoesmith was in charge, she was, it seems, not doing a very efficient job of being in charge. Instead of just resigning, she was fired and then managed, through an equally inefficient legal system, to cop a massive payout. You, wesdag, for some reason cannot seem to see the inequity in this. Also, back to my earlier question.... Was Ed Balls wrong to sack her? |
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The appeal court ruled she had been unfairly dismissed and "unfairly scapegoated".
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