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Shoesmith awarded £680,000
Shoesmith awarded £680,000
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There were massive failings in the baby P case
But in the end the buck stops with the head of department, that is what they are paid for..a very good salary It is incomprehensible this women did not resign herself, she had to be sacked, and now has won an unfair dismissal case as casemoney said Beyond belief Shocked totally agree with you TMB ,how can she claim the money yet alone be paid it Plain just sick .. We have some very poor moral values in todays society |
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Nonsense.
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Bit late for me now, I would make a considerably better job than some I have met
You must be a social worker wesdag, which perhaps explains your post Because in this world the buck does stop with head of departments, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PAID FOR she was responsible for over seeing all cases in her department Her only excuse would she was grossly deceived herself, so if that is your defence, fair enough I stand by my comments on PC values, they only prefer to deal with these cases, I have had experience of this |
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Was she responsible for the doctors failing to see that the boy had suffered multiple injuries?
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No...but she knew something was going on, otherwise the social services would not have been involved?
Also you seem to far more concerned with her problems..that the fate baby P If you think there was an injustice in this case...she was badly let down by others fine..say that but heads of departments do have responsibility, don't you wriggle out of that one |
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Not a social worker, just someone who's fair-minded and sceptical when politicians & journalists, who are amongst the most despised members of society, decide to have a witch-hunt.
Ed Balls very cleverly tapped into the blame culture that infests this country and sacked Shoesmith thus making himself popular by playing to the gallery. Only problem is, he actions were unlawful. |
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As I said above, all those who keep moaning and blaming social workers for every tragedy that occurs, need to enter the profession and show everyone how it's done rather than criticising from their ivory towers.
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Yes but surely the main problem is baby P
Yes we do live in a blame culture, we also live in in a compensation culture if you think the only problem is Ed Balls acted unlawfully, I do not think much of your values The question is, did her alleged failings, contribute to baby P's death If you think she did not fail, fine, you think an justice has been corrected, with a healthy payment I notice?????????? |
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Or, Mr Wesdag, enter the profession, get to the top, do the same thing and come away with all that money!
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The Head Of Planning at our council got the sack last week. The investigations and process took over a year. These things have to take time I'm afraid. You can't throw the procedures away for political gain.
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We cannot blame all the failings in society on social workers, I agree
But we must ensure they do their job properly surely, so the only question is, did she or did she not do her job properly? |
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Well if there was a fault in the procedure of her sacking that is one thing
Some of us consider the death of Baby P, more important! |
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Well the judge seems to agree with Shoesmith rather than the politicians and the journos.
The woman is not God nor is she a murderer. |
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The woman is NOT God, not a murderer, but she was a highly paid can carrier!
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The reality is that sacking in the wrong way ends up with less money in the pot to help the next Baby P.
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I never said she was, but if one fail in your job, one should take the consequences
The law must uphold the law I agree, including technicalities I am afraid But if she has got this award solely on a technicality, it sticks I my gullet, as Slicer said she was paid well |
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incredible values that say sacking someone in the wrong way
is a worse crime that what happened to Baby P  |
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Well Ed Balls is to blame for that.
You can't exactly just sack people on a whim. |
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on a whim. What a crass and moronic remark.
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I think you'll find that's why she won her case.
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TMB, why don't you become a social worker and show everyone how it's done.
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it was done as you mentioned earlier because of public opinion, I can't believe he would do it without checking the legalities. A shame they don't listen to public opinion on other matters.
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maybe she will do the right thing and donate this money to the NSPCC or something.
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Ed Balls very cleverly tapped into the blame culture
what blame culture? In this country we have a no-blame culture, which is why she has been given this obscene award (more than twenty times the recommendation of the original judge) and which is why cressida dick is still employed by the met despite ordering the killing of an innocent man |
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who ever sacked her should get the boot ....they must have known they were doing wrong.
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She was the director of childrens' social services with complete responsibility for everything to do with the care of children who came into contact with her dept.
She presided over an easily avoidable death of a very small child. The reports criticised her dept at every level. She was hastily sacked by Balls who was blissfully unaware of just how difficult it is to sack a public sector worker. Shoesmith fought her case apparently without any shame.... The council spent nearly 200k fighting her case. They lost. Her lack of accountability is truly staggering and of course she only won her legal action on a technicality. As TMB rightfully says, a little boy's life seems to have been forgotten in all of this. |
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A simple fact missed by most on here.
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Wesdag 24 Jul 14 16:53
A simple fact missed by most on here. ..... In reply to G1. |
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Stop bleating Injera,
and instead why don't you become a social worker and show us all how it should be done. |
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As usual the real villains here are the legal profession.
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why don't you become a social worker and show us all how it should be done
a ridiculous thing to say... he's not professing to be able to do the job, but he expects that whoever the incumbent is should be competent and responsible - sharon shoesmith was clearly neither of these |
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also wasnt there another point in this case which was far far worse than a woman who ran a department no doubt on a restricted budget?
wasnt there a doc who failed to spot that baby p had injuries? we know how these things work. a social worker can be over worked because of a lack of a budget to employ enough staff. if there are more problem cases in a particular area sod it....it goes on council payments not the amount of problem scases. stick to the budget or you have failed....etc the sackign was no doubt a move to deflect fromt he real issue of why the department couldnt run properly. balls should be jailed imo |
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Wesdag - The social workers were dismissed and lost their appeal against their sacking.
As usual the footsoldiers get the blame and the boss gets a payout and probably a promotion. I have huge respect for social workers especially those who work in child protection. Very stressful and demanding, the things they must see on a daily basis is not something I could cope with. My gripe is with the boss who failed miserably by presiding over an incompetent and fatally negligent service, yet is prepared to sue (after a child in her care needlessly dies) and then walks away with massive dosh... |
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Exactly Misterbadger,
much easier to just point the finger whenever someone supposedly messes up. The truth is, mistakes happen unfortunately. Shoesmith is not God nor is she a murderer. As G1 points out, there were many other failings involving doctors and police. In addition, lack of resources for social services is always conveniently swept under the carpet. |
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The problem is Injera, she won her case.
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Could not wait for the lack of resources argument to emerge which is always the case when some numpty screws up in a big way in the public sector. Money had nothing to do with this case as the facts were staring them in the face. The case was flagged and their total incompetence took over.
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TMB, there's always a chronic shortage of social workers.
Social services are crying out for infallible humans beings like you to join their ranks. |
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There has always been a chronic shortage of brain cells working in this area I grant you that.
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It's a very tough job which most laypeople out there really do not appreciate.
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This is a typical comment made by most people who work in the public sector as though their jobs are on a different level than others and merit special attention and praise . Highly patronising to the laypeople out their who are busy creating wealth and employing people to pay their taxes to provide over inflated salaries to these numb buggers in charge of our public services.
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