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think youre confusing him with his brother, magic?
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I agree terrorism in any country should be stamped out but its going to be an impossible job in Nigeria with well over 80 million Muslims in the country if 0.1% were radicals & possible terrorists you would be looking for 80,000 potential bombers & terrorists in other words an impossible task to police for any country let alone Nigeria.
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agree Pumphol, so whether we like or not, we are going to have to help Good Luck Johnson
we cannot intervene directly, in case it kicks off civil war, but whether we like it or not we have to offer him some assistance in fighting Boko Harem There has been a massive population increase in Nigeria, how can such a poor country support this? I am concerned about population levels in Africa. They have wars which does not help. But they also have things like drought, this concerns me. |
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Leave them to it - it has nothing to do with us.
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I would have thought that loads of wars would be VERY helpful in curbing massive population increases!
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that's a point Naydam
Oh no! we cant leave them to it moisock....we have to help Good Luck out here I don't think we ever did much good for Africa...basically exploited them although not everybody did, some people did go out there to genuinely try and help them I think I would done that in some role, perhaps a farmer ,civil service or something I would have seen them as children we must help,...very paternalistic and racist probably ![]() I still see them a bit like that, so like Gordon Brown, I feel we must help them and these Boko Harem chappies...they are really not nice at all ![]() |
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I do not say full scale military intervention, but some help
We and the US are discussing it with them now I think I hope something comes of it Trouble is, it is quite big Nigeria, villages all over the place and the largely Northern Muslim population will probably shield Boko Harem will we find those girls???? I see the woman of Nigeria have demanded Good Luck must show some testicular fortitude ![]() I don't blame them, Good Luck must accept some help, you cant let your women down it is not gentlemanly |
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I agree. But the FIRST help that you've got to give 'em is to teach them to STOP breeding children that are going to die of starvation!
And WE must stop keeping them all alive just so that they can breed MORE children to starve to death! Many of the starving population are a direct result of well-meaning interventions which only seek to cure the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. How many starving children are there who would never have been born into misery if some stupid do-gooders didn't keep interfering with the balance of nature. |
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I'm, not sure why I posted that rant on this thread...I seem to have wandered off-topic. Thinking too much about poverty and over-population.
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Is it just me or is anybody else struggling to shake off the image of ebulGery, clad only in a pith helmet, simmering away in a great big pot on an open fire surrounded by whooping natives?
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I did not say it was easy Naydam
![]() and of course there is a very dark side to Africa I am afraid ..bad thing happen there humanity at its worst I am afraid I still feel a need to salvage them, but I don't know how tbh?????????????? |
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Often good intentions, turn out bad, as you say Naydam
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a culling of everybody who wears tracksuit bottoms, but doesnt run or play any sport, would be a cracking start.
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leave them to it - sorry and all that - we get blamed for going out there - so we leave them to get on with things (supposedly ) ( forget the great god of capital and the exploitation of natural resources)
so we leave them to it and look at the fn mess!!?? - leave them to it - stop interfering |
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nearly 60 years ago I accompanied my mother gathering up the little envelopes for save the children
I think that says it all!! |
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the thing is the news doesnt show good things. thats how the news works. it shows bad stuff. im not saying africa is all roses and milky way magic stars, but what we get exposed to on the news is the worst of the worst. they arent going to show a nice little village where everybody goes about their lives with nae bother.
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you are a decent chap Moisock who feels the dissolutionment of it all
We did exploit, but we did try to help them as well but we never quite got the savage out of them did we for some reason I still feel the need to try to help????????????????????? our colonial natures, who knows |
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very true Bob we are addicted to bad news
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disillusionment I should say moisok
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ebulGerry,
"...but we never quite got the savage out of them did we" An absolutely disgusting racist comment! |
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The British were pretty savage when they opened fire on spectators at a sporting event at Croke Park in Dublin in retaliation for attacks on the infamous 'black & tan'!
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naydam 06 May 14 23:53 Joined: 31 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 6,835 | Blogger: naydam's blog I agree. But the FIRST help that you've got to give 'em is to teach them to STOP breeding children that are going to die of starvation! And WE must stop keeping them all alive just so that they can breed MORE children to starve to death! Many of the starving population are a direct result of well-meaning interventions which only seek to cure the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. How many starving children are there who would never have been born into misery if some stupid do-gooders didn't keep interfering with the balance of nature. Rate reply: FFS you talk of them as animals, infant mortality is high in these countries, also it wasn't so long ago that UK and Irish families had huge families as a matter of course, 13 kids etc. Other countries raped Nigeria and then left, it is happening again with bio fuels. Colonialism served only the countries that invaded and now we are all paying the price. Keep clapping for Nigel and see where it gets us all. |
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Too true cits,
For centuries, India's poor, had large families in the hope enough of them would survive to look after them in their old age. There was no welfare state, no pensions, no nursing homes, without children to support them and not capable of earning a living they starved unless lucky enough to be taken in be the odd charity. No historical knowledge. An inability to see human beings as less advantaged than themselves, and no empathy for the suffering or in deed those who are prepared to leave home family and friends and go to a foreign country in the brave attempt to make life for themselves & families just a little more bearable. That's UKippers! |
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ebulGerry,
"...but we never quite got the savage out of them did we" An absolutely disgusting racist comment! it is not intended as such Northern Lad..but I will apologise ![]() Boko Harem is a militant Muslim terrorist group, they are waging a bombing campaign in Nigeria They are the ones kidnapping these girls. All I am advocating is we support Nigeria in fighting these terrorists. Targeted military strikes seems a good option, if Good Luck gives us the go ahead. But they must be very carefully targeted so as not to kill ordinary Nigerian Muslims and/or we support his own military in doing this I am advocating full scale intervention, it does not work. ps Having them all come and work over here is not the answer!!!! |
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not advocating full scale military interventio
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We should send in the Scotland Yard Madelaine McCann squad straight away before the trail goes cold imho.
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Naydam was right in saying sometimes when we try to help, we in fact makes things worse
The EU common agricultural policy counts against them as well. These countries do not compete well in the world capitalist system, another problem for them. I have often thought communism may help them, but we don't want that do we. |
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It was unfair of me to say the savage seems to lurk
They are a tribal race, we Europeans stuck them in boundaries which rather ignored this so it is not surprising they always seem to be at war Also some of the interior parts of Africa were cut off from the rest of the world ..they have a bit of catching up to do although there is evidence of ancient civilizations in some parts, We were tribal once, King Alfred introduced us to the idea of nationhood, anyway the wars we rage there is a lot of the savage remains in us perhaps Joseph's Conrad's novel 'Heart OF Darkness', influenced by comment as well The story is a complex exploration of the attitudes people hold on what constitutes a barbarian versus a civilized society and the attitudes on colonialism and racism that were part and parcel of European imperialism. . As Kurtz dies, Marlow hears him weakly whisper: “The horror! The horror!” |
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Africa writers have condemned this novel, but it is complex
Conrad himself, who live there once, was disillusioned with our Imperial attitudes |
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The film Apocalypse Now is based on this
with Marlon Brando the Kurtz like figure, a man who commits atrocities but is also desensitized by the horrors he has seen |
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africa is a basket case and it is all ebulgery's fault
you nasty invading colonialist!!!! I would guess slavery was all your fault gery have you apologised for that yet. check out how many slaves they reckon they have in africa!!?? NOW that is!!?? |
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I wish I had a slave to clean my house
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moisok
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Slavery was considered quite normal at one time by everybody
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it certainly is in parts of africa!!
and with the foreign gangs trafficking girls into the uk!!! |
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Nobody know can apologise for slavery unless they have actually owned one themselves
we cannot apologise for somebody else I think the problem is that in the past we justified exploiting people on the grounds we were more civilized some people objected to this But as I pointed out earlier some people still tried to help these people in good faith I think if I had lived then I may have been such a person, hopefully I would not have been eaten for my troubles |
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I can believe it
The strong always exploit the weak....... You see this not a racial thing at all...it is the strong exploiting the weak for their advantage it is a weakness in us all....as you are pointing out moisok our only fault or perhaps luck, is that we were the strong at the time |
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Often in the more backward parts of the world..I can believe slavery may still exist
and there are always some of us, who like to force vulnerable girls and women in prostitution for their own financial game...they are a commodity like everything else. I have no problems with prostitution as long as the women do it voluntarily otherwise I would object, as the decent among us should do, you do moisok, it does you credit |