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26 Mar 14
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You look at yourself in the mirror on 18 September 2014 and you think about...
the 700 years of history....
You think about William Wallace
You think about the Poll Tax
You think about all that syphoned oil to fund the Westminster boom of the 80´s
and finally, you think about this could be a one off and only chance for real CHANGE...
You drive up to the polling booth and you vote.............................?
the 700 years of history....
You think about William Wallace
You think about the Poll Tax
You think about all that syphoned oil to fund the Westminster boom of the 80´s
and finally, you think about this could be a one off and only chance for real CHANGE...
You drive up to the polling booth and you vote.............................?
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i voted labour - like all scots that are not up their kilts. In the last fifty years at least - labour wins in Scotland is usually assured unless they get really pissed and vote SNP.
Yet Scotland is Ruled over by - Thatcher, John Major and David Cameron. Democracy in action. |
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Stolen from footy forum....
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oor wullie for king
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YES !! it's the only way
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If you vote NO Scotland will be the only country ever not to vote yes to independence.
There will be no more singing Flower of Scotland with heads held high. The world will laugh at us. Braveheart will be a label of ridicule... |
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Mel Gibson will claim it was a comedy
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Pretty much the only problem I foresee with independence is sorting out the party-wall agreement.
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Sounds complicated. Luckily my name is Brian.
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so's my wife
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No
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Socialists and the SNP go on about being ruled by Tories, it
never occurs to them that Tories and Liberals sometines have to put up with Labour Govts they didn't vote for. |
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Scotland/England game a few weeks after vote
will have the p^ss taken out of us,if we vote NO |
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good point SD, except the Labour governments you speak of were at least elected by a majority of the voters of your own country...
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Not quite, the closest we've ever come to that in recent times is in 1955 when 49.7% of those who voted voted Tory, of a 77% turnout. They're always voted in on the biggest minority, which grates.
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Union of parliaments came about because Scotland was effectively
bankrupt, no oil in those days. Salmond used to cite Ireland and Iceland as prosperous small countries, needless to say that's forgotten and its Norway and Sweden he idolises. I'm not an expert on Scandanavian politics but I gather they are nearer to Thatcherism than Socialism. |
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Scotland/England game a few weeks after vote
will have the p^ss taken out of us,if we vote NO By saying what? And who gives a **** if they do? it's a football game FFS. |
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Shrewd_dude Shrewd_dude 20 Aug 14 12:56 Joined: 12 May 05 | Topic/replies: 2,722 | Blogger: Shrewd_dude's blog No Maybe shrewder than I thought. |
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@TTOs
What about the vast area of Scotland that is predominantly LibDem? Should they seek independence from the rest of Scotland based on your argument? |
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Ken M, I did say the majority of the voters not the electorate.
akabaula, there is every chance that Scotland will have PR for future elections - unlike the UK - so even LibDems could have representation at Holyrood. |
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"Ken M, I did say the majority of the voters not the electorate." - and you'd still be wrong.
Ken M is correct, Labour have never had a majority of the vote in a Scottish election, the closest party to do that was the Tories in 1955. (And that's including the SNP in the 2011 election who, contrary to rubbish on the internet, did NOT get a majority of the votes, and what they did get was on a very low turnout against a useless Labour party). Indeed in the UK election in Scotland in 2010 the LD + Tories, who together form the governing party of they UK, achieved 465,471 + 412,855 = 878,326 votes, clearly not far off at all from Labours 1,035,528, but this was under FPTP that threw up wildly unrepresentative number of seats. I suggest you digest those figures for a second. Not so you'd know the above facts given the hysterical crying of the "poor Scotland doesn't get the party it voted for" from grievance merchants who peddle some myth that the coalition had 5 voters in Scotland, it very clearly did not. For these 878,326 voters, > 85% of the number who voted Labour, the party they voted for DID enter government. It is not as remotely "unfair" as the b/s being peddled by the separatists, and as akabula points out, no less unfair than the people in LD seats getting the neanderthals from Labour every election because of people voting for more handouts. Scotland has a majority SNP government, but the majority didn't vote for them either. That's what happens with non ideal systems. |
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The 'vast area' of Scotland that is Lib Dem of course has far fewer people per sq m, therefore it is exagerated on the map. If over a few centuries that area of Scotland develops it's own legal and education systems and becomes in effect a country within a Scottish political union then it would be a good comparison to Scotland within the UK now.
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That's what happens with non ideal systems.
The Holyrood system was designed to prevent domination by any single party. Juggle the numbers any way you want (and you will), but the SNP majority in 2010 was supposed to be as unlikely as to be impossible. One Tory from 59 Westminster seats, yet a Tory govt - that's democracy? |
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It's a curious quirk of voter history, but based on the party getting the biggest % share of the vote:
Scotland has got the Westminster govt it wanted in 8 of the last 12 elections and England has got the Westminster govt it wanted in 8 of the last 12 elections. That's not a bad ratio for a country with perhaps one-sixth of the pop'n. I'm grateful that the Scottish MPs voted the way they did in the 2013 debate on whether we should directly support the anti-Assad rebellion in Syria Outcome: 285/272 against intervention Without Scottish MPs: 240/258 in favour of intervention. Scotland: we'd like you to stay, but we should probably show a little more appreciation of you as you've saved us from ourselves at least twice recently. |
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Cliff Richard signed a letter demanding Scotland should stay......
What does that tell you? |
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*open letter
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demanding or demeaning?
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stewarty b 20 Aug 14 15:50
Shrewd_dude 20 Aug 14 12:56 No Maybe shrewder than I thought. Of course I am you muppet. |
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Better to be a muppet than a retard.
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I implore the people living in Scotland (please be aware that not all people who live in Scotland and can vote are Scottish) to vote "yes".
And I'm sure (gut feel from 60+ years of life, not from asking them) I speak for a lot of English people. |
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That's not a bad ratio for a country with perhaps one-sixth of the pop'n.
Eh? One sixth bongo? |
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Fair point Alias, one to nine might be more realistic as the ratio of residents of SCO to ENG.
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In 2011 the ratio was closer to 1 : 10.7 SCO to ENG
(5.25 million Scotland, 56 million England) according to UK office of National Statistics. |
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I haven't even given William Wallace a second thought, ever.. let leave alone the last 700 years of history....Poll Tax is immaterial to me - syphoned oil to fund Westminster boom of 80's?
Wow! That's a hell of a life you've had TheBetterBettor...............  |
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I am not Scottish but if I were, I would vote Yes.
How on earth are you ever going to know what you are capable of if you don't at least try. |
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Fair point.........Gamblers United.
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None of the Scottish people I know are voting yes.
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All the English people who live in my locality and there are quite a lot for a small place, are voting YES, like eternaloptimist plans to do. Only Scots that I know who are voting NO, and that includes 2 of my brothers, are ones that are married to English women. Perhaps they think that voting YES is an anti English vote which is complete and utter nonsense.
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Scottish people!- nearly as bad as Irish people (not quite though)!
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