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By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Oct 13 22:02
Emden - 14 Oct 13 21:48

have i got this right?

somebody enters through the open door but then opens a shuttered window and climbs out with a child in his arms ?

Qu: Why not just walk back out the open door?



Because they weren't expecting to find what they did when they got in the apartment ?
By:
Roker_Park
When: 14 Oct 13 22:03
Lets hope the Mets finest 'Police profilers' have been watching Kate McCann closely tonight...
By:
brendanuk1
When: 14 Oct 13 22:03
those questions on bbc, show the Portuguese were not going to do extra work if Kate wouldnt even tell them who phoned the police.

Pure new management, for uk viewers consumption
By:
brendanuk1
When: 14 Oct 13 22:04
*news
By:
sideshowbob
When: 14 Oct 13 22:04
incredible that they found the guy who was a suspect. why the hell didnt he come forward before? has he been living in a hut or summat?
By:
Jimmy Diamond
When: 14 Oct 13 22:05
some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
By:
A_T
When: 14 Oct 13 22:08

"I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child."


Funny that particular detail didn't make the programme Laugh

By:
xmoneyx
When: 14 Oct 13 22:08
Maddie "where were you when we were crying  last night" Sad

Wow,I'd never leave my child if she said that to me
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 14 Oct 13 22:09
Because they weren't expecting to find what they did when they got in the apartment ?

doesnt make sense.
if they werfe after valuables why would they take a kid?

only being recognised would back up your theory
By:
brendanuk1
When: 14 Oct 13 22:11
Some of the questions the Portuguese police asked hint that someone had told them that all was not rosey between Kate and the kids

39     Is it true or not that the twins have difficulty falling asleep, that they are restless and that this upsets you?
40     Is it true or not that at certain times you felt desperate at your children's attitude and that this upsets you a lot?
41     Is it true or not that in England you went so far as thinking about handing over Madeleine to a relative to look after?
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Oct 13 22:20

Oct 14, 2013 -- 10:09PM, G1_Jockey_4 wrote:


Because they weren't expecting to find what they did when they got in the apartment ? doesnt make sense.if they werfe after valuables why would they take a kid?only being recognised would back up your theory


But it does make sense if going through the front door was expected/normal for the person. Only after getting in and finding what they did would they need to get back out unnoticed.

By:
Emden
When: 14 Oct 13 22:20
She was a beautiful child.

It must be every parents nightmare....but I've always felt that the McCanns are 'holding something back' - story changing, lack of cooperation with the pork and cheese cops, a blase attitude to leaving your kids while you go out on the lash, 'friends' that seemed to close up shop about the night in question...



the truth is there somewhere and someone will break ranks one day
By:
A_T
When: 14 Oct 13 22:24
Operation Grange seemed to have fooled the media that they are making progress should be good for funding for a couple more years.
By:
Roker_Park
When: 14 Oct 13 22:25
Spot on, Emden.

Why won't she answer the 48 questions?
Why has she took this long to co-operate in this case?

Her idiotic claim tonight that "its not their fault" was incredible.

Questions need to be asked about her.

One day she will be found guilty over this, no doubts at all.
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 14 Oct 13 22:26
But it does make sense if going through the front door was expected/normal for the person. Only after getting in and finding what they did would they need to get back out unnoticed.

not if they were in there to burgle only....which was what i was answering on.

yes the open window could be part of muddying the waters to actually still being in the room when kate opened the front door.

a normal burglar would have opned the window and legged it
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 14 Oct 13 22:27
without the kid of course
By:
GAZO
When: 14 Oct 13 22:32
doesnt seem credible that you break in looking to rob the place but decide to take a child instead and then just walk off down the street with her,next they will have sighting of him stopping off for a quick pint
By:
xmoneyx
When: 14 Oct 13 22:34
I will tick GAZO as a non beleiver
By:
donny osmond
When: 14 Oct 13 22:35
chances are they were bright enough to take a motor with them


no sightings of cars anywhere in the details
By:
A_T
When: 14 Oct 13 22:37
no mention of the cadaver dog it sniffed all around the resort but only alerted 9 times each time at something McCann related what are the odds?
By:
Emden
When: 14 Oct 13 22:37
Kirsty said 'Forget any preconceptions you may have......."


Trouble is - it's difficult not too
By:
Mcginty
When: 14 Oct 13 22:39
JUST ME?

OR,

DID IT LOOK LIKE THE ACTOR THAT PLAYED GERRY,

ALSO PLAYED THE PART OF THE MAN CARRYING CHILD,

WITNESSED BY THE IRISH FAMILY?
By:
Crisp77
When: 14 Oct 13 22:40
Update now
By:
Jimmy Diamond
When: 14 Oct 13 22:40
AT

The cadaver dogs can only detect 'death' upto 28 days after its been there...........this is according to the guy who trains them.

Given that they were used at the end of the July nearly 2 months after she went missing.............what does this tell you.......

Perhaps the fact that over those 2 months all manner of people had brought contamination into that apartment.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 14 Oct 13 22:40
How many nights did they leave the kids out of sight/sound so they could dine out?

It was a few nights in a row?
By:
xmoneyx
When: 14 Oct 13 22:42
that's unforgivable
By:
Crisp77
When: 14 Oct 13 22:44
At least the lads that shot the accountant may get caught.
By:
Jimmy Diamond
When: 14 Oct 13 22:44
I think we've established that the parenting displayed by the Mccans was very poor (at best).
Im sure that Kate had crucified and tortured herself over this.

Why dont people forget about their parenting deficiencys and concentrate on the case.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 14 Oct 13 22:44
I know nothing about child abduction cases. However you would say those involved were reasonably organised (didn't leave much evidence behind them).

I would say there had to be surveillance on the apartment in the days before the abduction - so the possible sightings of men in and around the area are important.

Also doubt the abductor took the child and walked around the local area with her in his/her hands. Most likely scenario - I would think - is Madeline was drugged whilst she slept and either carried out or passed out the window to an accomplice. A nearby getaway car probably took them all away.

Also interesting is that when the father returned he noticed the door slightly more open than usual. If this is the case, then the kidnapping had already taken place or was in progress which would narrow the timeline down to about 8.30 and 9.10.

All wild speculation though. My own opinion is that it's very unlikely that she's still alive which is so sad. Also best hope of any kind of significant progress is if someone in the know comes forward with evidence.

One other thing - surely the child networking gangs in Europe are known to police? Would they be known to target tourist areas? Surely English and Portuguese police must have bad a number of gangs on their radar.
By:
the silverback
When: 14 Oct 13 22:47
The lad that shot the accountant will be cursing the McCanns for bringing in the extra viewers tonight.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 14 Oct 13 22:48
that's another 20 policeman needed then
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 14 Oct 13 22:49
^ plus 10 BBC journalists - ratio appears to be about 2:1
By:
the silverback
When: 14 Oct 13 22:50
Do we know who the guy Gerry saw on his way back from the apartment was? Sounded like his bestest mate ever the way he greeted him in the reconstruction.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 14 Oct 13 22:53
My jaw dropped,every one of the couples didn't hav a babysitter

it was like musical chairs
By:
A_T
When: 14 Oct 13 22:54
AT

The cadaver dogs can only detect 'death' upto 28 days after its been there...........this is according to the guy who trains them.


Here's where the handler explains what the dogs do no mention of a time limit.

.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Like I say the dog went all around the resort sniffing but only alerted 9 times - each time at something McCann-related I mean the odds of this being a coincidence must be astronomical...
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 14 Oct 13 22:55
the couple with the sick kid who rotated visiting had their apartment next door right?
the bloke also did check up on the mccanns kids right?

how well did they know the mcanns?
By:
reculver
When: 14 Oct 13 22:56
The Gerry McCann lookalike carrying the sedated child towards the beach,to a waiting boat,to start a new life, as his wife could no longer cope... just my view of course
By:
A_T
When: 14 Oct 13 22:56
This key sighting of a man with a child here's what the witness said but not mentioned on Crimewatch:


"I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard [sic] McCann that I met that night carrying a child."
By:
SoYouThink
When: 14 Oct 13 22:56
You would think most things the dog was asked to look at was "McCann-related".
By:
Emden
When: 14 Oct 13 22:56
My jaw dropped,every one of the couples didn't hav a babysitter

and other people checking on your kids! (Saves the hassle of getting up from the table I suppose)
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