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Sniffer dogs will have their bollocks sued off .
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Ayers I think most of us who do not believe the McCann's version of events would happily look like proper Charlie's if Maddie is found alive. I doubt that will ever happen though.
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I thought the last Pope WAS a Nazi! I suppose he was speaking from experience.
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Kevbetting. I must say that YOUR idea of 'a very humble opinion' contains a lot less humble and a lot more opinion than mine does!
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.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Maddie-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-years-Images-evidence-sighting-uncovered-private-detectives-suppressed.html
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Another totally bizarre occurance.. more questions than answers
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A lot would depend upon how strong their suggesting was regarding their theory of 'wandering off and dying'.
Headlines like that would hardly be helpful in maintaining public awareness to keep searching for a missing child. One would also need to know for certain that the dossier findings had not been tainted or biased because the 'unrelated' financial wranglings. Would YOU trust MI5 to stick to the rules of fair play? |
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Nothing about this new revelation on BBC website.
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Did they say how far she 'might have wandered'? Or where she wandered TO? Or how this wandering might have ended her life?
Because there IS a rather large hole in it. |
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Well maybe she wandered into that then.
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THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard's search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.
The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008. It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard. But the trail was left to go cold for five years because the McCanns and their advisers sidelined the report and threatened to sue its authors if they divulged the contents. The report, seen by the Sunday Times, called for the E-Fits to be released immediately and said "anomalies" in statements by the McCanns and their friends must be resolved. A source close to the McCanns said the report was considered "hypercritical of the people involved" and "would have been completely distracting" if made public. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years The Sunday Times The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports The Sunday Times Insight team Published: 27 October 2013 Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt) Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt) THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard's search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators. The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008. It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard. A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine. But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed "hypercritical" of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy. They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns' holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month. One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was "utterly stunned" when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough. The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns' Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl's disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5's former undercover operations chief. Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing. An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns' friends was dismissed as less credible after "serious inconsistencies" were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about "anomalies" in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends. Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: "A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report." He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard's fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund. A source close to the fund said the report was considered "hypercritical of the people involved" and "would have been completely distracting" if it became public. Oakley's six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence. It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing. The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children. The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm. The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account. Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were "helpful and sincere" and concluded: "The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner's sighting". The evidence had been "neglected for too long" and an "overemphasis placed on Tanner". The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes. The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay. The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard's investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal. One of the Oakley investigators said last week: "I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn't a new timeline and it certainly isn't a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours," he said. The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist's impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance. Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released. Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann's 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight "key sightings" and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most "crucial". Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist's impression. The Smiths' were the only exception. So why was such a "crucial" piece of evidence kept under lock and key? The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse. As well as questioning parts of the McCanns' evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine's sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors. There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith's account. He had originally told the police that he had "recognised something" about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz. Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects. The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton's team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US. The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm's work was considered "contaminated" by the financial dispute. He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors. "[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn't be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting," said the source. A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that "all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary" and had been passed to Scotland Yard. It continued: "Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund's sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible." |
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Would it not be an idea to assess forumites feelings? Do you feel Maddy is Alive or Dead & Do you feel the McCanns are Guilty or Not Guilty in this episode?
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Tanner sighting poo-poo'd by
The PJ, The Met, Ex MI5 investigators, sane chit chatters. Yet consistently promoted by McCanns/Mitchell/UK press as credible. SAYS IT ALL REALLY, GUILTY AS SIN! |
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Dead, and, if I may borrow from the Scotches, Not Proven. For me.
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Gladys. Why would it be a good idea to assess forum feelings? I can tell you the result now. Some say yes and some say no. These answer apply to most topics.
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I think the "dont knows" would have a major majority.
No evidence of an abduction and no evidence of the McCann's involvement. |
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i think she was abducted but the macaans have clouded the issue by "being confused "about their actions on holiday.
really they should have had the other two taken into care as should the other members of the tapas 7/9 the dog evidence is tainted for me by other failures of the same dogs id love to see her found alive, and would hope she would ask them why they left her alone maybe the twins will ask that one day |
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Can you tell us when the same dogs failed?
Many confusing reports, others say the dogs were never wrong in 200-300 times they were used. |
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the dogs detected the smell of death in that childrens home in jersey, they detected an
object, assumed to be a piece of skull, which turned out to be a piece of coconut shell not to say they were wrong, but there were no bodies found from many indications there they also found scent of death in another case but no bodies, and it was put down to house clearance furniture being present from the house of a dead person the dogs are no longer used in a similar development those bomb detectors in iraq were found to be bogus despite being used by "experts" for many years .... |
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http://www.mccannfiles.com/id157.html
lots of info on the dogs here.....make your own minds up...... mine already is!!! |
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..and from the same site..
163 questions that some would like put to the mccanns....and also 50 facts. ..a bit of a trawl through but pretty enlightening.... ..especially for me who.. ironically up until seeing the recent crimewatch efit had barely given this a thought and supposed it was a pretty straightforward abduction!!!!! how wrong can you be???? |
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Well we have an Irish paper today running the same story as the Times , it looks like the media and the public are becoming very sceptical of the Mccanns version of events. The new investigation looks like a double bluff.
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Or maybe it is no bluff at all...just a product of your own cynicism.
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it must be a double bluff, scotland yard finding out about the 5 yr old efit,then proceed to use an absolute ringer for gerry in their crimewatch reconstruction
common sense would tell anyone that if scotland yd were 100% confident of the maccans non involvement they wouldnt further cloud the issue by using a ringer for gerry in their reconstruction |
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it wasn't an absolute ringer, it looked like a chubby portuguese man
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you obviously wernt watching, could have been gerry himself
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watching, i've seen the image loads of times in newspapers and on tv and that's what it looks like, it;s no dead ringer, vauge similarity at best, no exactly uncanny
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The strangest thing I find is that when kate found madeline missing ,she then went all the way back to the tapas bar for help,
did she leave the the twins unattended ?  she could actually have shouted for gerry or in the case of most women I know screamed ..who in their right mind would leave 2 children unattended when one had just gone missing ? I dont believe they killed madeleine never the less this is a very strange thing to do .. |
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the revelation that these e-fits were supressed for 5 years is not good for news the mcanns. it paints them in a bad light. their threats to sue everyone and anyone who does not comply with their versions are now the stuff of legend.
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It's all about promoting their agenda: "nothing is our fault".
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Hopefully, we can all allow Scotland Yard to get along with their investigations. I would hope that they heed no bias whatsoever, from any source, because ALL other parties have their own, and sometimes different, agendas.
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Slowly slowly catchee MCcmonkee the net is tightening, now that light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter
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I'm sure in my mind they've not disclosed the whole truth and I imagine millions of others think the same. Wonder if they actually have any friends;can't imagine them going to dinner parties as everyone else would be wanting to question them. Do they even work these days...they must live an isolated life which must be miserable for the other children.
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Well I'd imagine no-one's asking them to babysit any more.
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leopard my point is there would be an inevitable undercurrent all evening as they would know that the only subject the other guests really want to talk about is the disappearance...and as soon as someone has drunk a bit too much they'd have the nerve to raise the issue.
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Maddy would be an off-limits subject, don't you think?
As the McCanns are very litigious, even members of their own family would probably be too scared to comment.. |
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On the other hand, you might find them all to eager to discuss the matter with you. A question such as "Where is the body?" would obviously not be welcome as they still have hope of her being found alive and well.
If you were to start asking questions which left them in no doubt that you thought they had killed the child, you would, quite rightly, receive very short shrift. |
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How about "Why did you leave your children alone - in bed, in a foreign country, while you were out enjoying yourselves"?
Do you think they would answer that? |