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By:
brendanuk1
When: 27 Oct 13 19:46
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By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 19:48
guinness2dear 27 Oct 13 18:29 Joined: 19 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 12,271 | Blogger: guinness2dear's blog
Quite. Spends his time trying to refute theories but has zero content of his own..



Dear me - that is the whole pointCry

There are many posters offering theories but you are getting upset when someone challenges them, talk about trying to silence the minority.
By:
A_T
When: 27 Oct 13 19:58
all I know is they have not behaved like a couple desperate to find out what has happened
By:
posy
When: 27 Oct 13 19:58
Bug ger the Scottish and European referendums; i'd rather have one on whether or not the McCanns did it.....alternatively mori or yougov should conduct regular polls and publish results.
By:
tobermory
When: 27 Oct 13 19:59
Another new lead......

Police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking near holiday apartment

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-police-hunt-three-2644559

Crazy
By:
naydam
When: 27 Oct 13 19:59
As a member of 'the public', I would like to point out that we don't all have our doubts about the McCanns.
I will accept that the majority of posts on this site/thread are intended to blame or accuse them of something or other but there are lots of posters on here who think the Moon landings were faked and that 9/11 was a 'Black Ops' jobbie!
I imagine that some people think all three to be true. Each to their own, I suppose.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 27 Oct 13 20:00
Upset?

You just bore me, tbph. Same old tripe, question anything and everything just because you want to be 'different'

I will ask you this, do you have any evidence of an abduction?
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 27 Oct 13 20:03
I have said this before on this very thread..... that unless someone comes clean and tells the world what really happened it will always remain one the biggest mysteries of our time.

We can all speculate, we can all question every different scenario and then join every different dot which has been put down here there and everywhere but the sad true story of the poor little girl who vanished without trace all those years ago will remain without conclusion.

Many of the contributors to the thread will have thier own idea about what possibly happened to her, however, personally, I have yet to have been able to piece together a situation in my minds eye which fits all the necessary criteria... something is always missing.. something which just doesn't quite add up. Maybe it will always be that way ??
By:
bix
When: 27 Oct 13 20:11
Naydam

As a member of 'the public', I would like to point out that we don't all have our doubts about the McCanns.

Then do you believe that the McCanns and the tapas 7 have always been totally honest with their versions of what happened that night?
By:
naydam
When: 27 Oct 13 20:15
I'd like to say that John.W.Henry sums up the events nicely.
By:
egner
When: 27 Oct 13 20:21
..a fair minded post JWH.....

although in the opinion of a couple of very highly trained and consistently successful dogs....

she certainly was not a little girl who vanished without trace
By:
brendanuk1
When: 27 Oct 13 20:23
Yes he sums it up nicely, but in uk you cannot hear another "theory" other than the "abduction theory". So UK public cn speculate knowing half the facts, nice! I see The Times, belatedly, is leading the way, but which paper or media outlet will print Smiths account that he was 60-80% sure the man he saw holding the baby is GerryConfused Not 1 single one in 6 years, even though it is in the publicly available police files.

Like Henry Ford, you can have any theory you like as long as its "abduction" Sad
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 27 Oct 13 20:27
Yes egner.. another question without a definitive answer.. the case is littered with them.. The dogs pose a real problem for the " abducted while still alive " believers
By:
egner
When: 27 Oct 13 20:30
the metal shutters to the property had been forced open from the outside......

...oh no...hang on ..no .. actually we may have left the patio doors unlocked!!



...and some people wonder why some think that all is not quite straightforward.
By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 20:30
You just bore me, tbph. Same old tripe, question anything and everything just because you want to be 'different'

I will ask you this, do you have any evidence of an abduction?




I;m not trying to interest you and I'm not trying to be different, I'm trying to apply common sense and you only have to see how annoyed you are becoming at me just for having an opinion on your opinions to see that you just wnt complete one way traffic here,
personally i dont see the problem, im not doing anything wrong

Nobody has any real evidence of an abduction, if they did, they would be arrested, if you really don want to see what im saying then you can block me, but free speech and all!
By:
egner
When: 27 Oct 13 20:31
yes JWH....I suspect though that the truth may never come out....there have been so much smoke and mirrors!!!..

which in itself is also quite baffling!!!!!!
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 27 Oct 13 20:34
Doubt if im alone here but having stayed in a villa complex in Portugal im pretty sure the shutters they refer to are similar to the ones in many of the said same complexes across the country and I found them difficult to undo from inside the apartment let alone from outside and the noise they made was horrendous
By:
egner
When: 27 Oct 13 20:36
yes jwh...

and absolutely no evidence of any tampering with the shutters whatsovever...or scrapes on the windowsill or the surrounds.
By:
bix
When: 27 Oct 13 20:40
Naydam



Naydam

As a member of 'the public', I would like to point out that we don't all have our doubts about the McCanns.

Then do you believe that the McCanns and the tapas 7 have always been totally honest with their versions of what happened that night?

I'd like to say that John.W.Henry sums up the events nicely.



Is that a "yes" or a "no"?
By:
GoBallistic
When: 27 Oct 13 20:41
I find it surprising that no photos or videos ever emerged from that night or even from any other night they were there
By:
brendanuk1
When: 27 Oct 13 20:44
Because you would have seen them laughing and enjoying themselves, das ist verbotten! not the party line
By:
guinness2dear
When: 27 Oct 13 20:46
Careful, GB, AyersRock will be asking you "how do you know pics were taken"? soon enough...
By:
guinness2dear
When: 27 Oct 13 20:48
Btw AyersRock,as you like asking questions so much, Renge has asked you a few questions on the previous page. How about answering the man...
By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 20:51
Btw AyersRock,as you like asking questions so much, Renge has asked you a few questions on the previous page. How about answering the man...



the ironic thing is, the tone makes me think that you are bothered that peoples points are being questioned and you're making it obvious, who is renge havnt seen anyone called renge post
By:
naydam
When: 27 Oct 13 20:52
Unfortunately Bix, your question is far too simple which means that it would entail a very complicated answer.

However, if you were to ask me if I thought that statements given by the 'Tapas Seven' had ever been given with a view to deliberately preventing the Portuguese police from finding Madeleine, my answer would be "No, they were not".
Of curse, that is only my personal opinion as I have no knowledge of the actual facts.
By:
naydam
When: 27 Oct 13 20:53
*Of course*
By:
egner
When: 27 Oct 13 20:55
that is me Ayers.....egner...renge backwards..got banned a few years ago for having ago at a certain horse pundit!!!!LaughWink

..anyway not being mean or personal towards you......but objectively...if you were a portugese or british cop......wouldn't you at least try to explain these anomalies...at least ask some question!!!!
By:
guinness2dear
When: 27 Oct 13 20:55
Nope, as i said i'm bored with your constant questioning of other posters theories. While offering none of your own. It's extremely churlish and pointless.

Are you saying you haven't seen any questions asked of you on the previous pages, but have seen my posts clearly enough?
By:
mange
When: 27 Oct 13 20:56
The 1 that gets me............Im convinced that on the last visit.....................shed allready gone.........that was a "spoof"............& that was "punch & judy".............Crimewatch when it cane out "mummy why did you leave us alone"........these are clever people .........why was that on there to enrage the nation.........they went out & left em again..............did they ?............was she there ?
By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 21:08
and how the cadaver dogs detected death in the cupboard and blood behind the sofa and on the mcanns clothes and in their hire car?????


Those dogs have the ability to sniff out historical blood - the dogs owners words on that video, that was a rented apartment god knows how many people have stayed there


..and while were at it have you a theory as to why the portugese police were denied access to their credit card history??????

When officers from Leicestershire Constabulary met with the Portugese case team they were informed that the request for banking evidence arose as a result of a reported sighting of Mr McCann at a cash machine whilst talking on a mobile telephone, following Madeleine's disappearance. The Portuguese case team were therefore concerned to ascertain whether the cash machine transaction and the call were related and whether they linked to Madeleine's disappearance.
As you know, in considering requests for coercive measures the Secretary of State must consider necessity and proportionality. On the basis of the information before me, the request for evidence relating to Mr McCann's Mastercard accounts for a 6 month period has not been fully justified and appears disproportionate. Were you to provide further information justifying this 6 month period or, at least in the first instance, refine your request to a period immediately prior to and following the day of the alleged sighting, I would be more than happy to look at this part of the request again.


They didn't get back.

also

The Portuguese police failed to justify their request for obtaining details about Gerry McCann's credit card transactions over a period of 6 months, starting one month before Madeleine's disappearance. As it turned out, the reason why they made the request was based on a witness statement that turned out to be wrong


have you a theory on why the higher echelons and the uk media are protecting this seemingly normal middle class couple in light of the anomlaies???????


Protecting? you may want to dig through the archives, their lives were made hell by british papers at one point.
By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 21:11
Interesting egner, i think i can guess whoGrin
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Oct 13 21:12
of course and the thread has been there before mange  but unfortunately we dont sum up points and reach any agreement on what facts /scenarios are likely and where to put a qusetion marks . flow chart needed

fred is like a never ending game of snakes and ladders . flow chart needed .

And its easy to forget the implications of what we are talking about and the fact a 3yo CHILD disappeared.

at times i have made some flippant comments and used smiley's when they are very inappropriate .It is a very serous subject
By:
tobermory
When: 27 Oct 13 21:13
The Papers did have a wobble , at the time of the 'arguido' thing , which lasted about 2 days . When it became apparent that the PJ didn't have anything decisive they closed ranks behind the Mcanns again.
By:
mange
When: 27 Oct 13 21:27
B & Butter the whole nation prayed for em once (me included)...................how did it end up like this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IT wasent our fault...........trust shes found............& if shes so happy & doing so well
By:
naydam
When: 27 Oct 13 21:32
I believe the police dog has refused to testify.
By:
mange
When: 27 Oct 13 21:33
bone of contention.............
By:
brendanuk1
When: 27 Oct 13 22:36
appearing on new series of woof justice
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Oct 13 23:15
Thats not what i said mange ,your implying something i did not say ,i am not suggesting it was Our fault i just thought it was worth a reminder it is a serous subject and as to how it has ended up ? how has it ended up and who is to blame for how it ended like it has ? hopefully now its the  begining of the end Plain

As for the whole nation praying ,Thats a huge  assumption on your part mange .

hoping and wishing ...but praying ?  the last pope upon visiting the uk said we were a nation of atheists and compared us to nazis ....his words .

as i mentioned earlier the faith of the McCanns was quickly put to the fore and it was Jerald's  vision at the temple of  fatima which gave him the energy to start making phone calls ,he seen  light at the end of the tunnel .

The whole  fatima thing is very strange and worth a look ,also if you view the video of the McCanns  in portugal in the days after the disappearance .They were  telling the people to pray for them he made very clear reference to praying things worked out for them (us) and Madelaine and that if she was dead she would be in a better place .

all very strange stuff .
By:
Kevbetting superstar
When: 27 Oct 13 23:23
IMVHO as a judge of people, the McCanns are guilty as sin.  I do believe that, one day, they will be found out.  They will be as infamous as Jack the Ripper, The Yorkshire Ripper, Robin Hood,  OJ Simpson, Bonnie & Clyde and Fred/Rose West.
By:
AyersRock
When: 27 Oct 13 23:49
If they ever find her alive, a lot of people on this thread will look proper charlies.
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