Chit Chat
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 248 comments are related to the topic:
is it time for britain to ban religon??
is it time for britain to ban religon??
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 248
|
By:
Or 7 times even. Burning at the stake should be both just and a deterrent.
|
|
By:
burning at the stake would be too good for them,
what about people who can't spell superstious |
|
By:
Burn, baby, burn ...
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or8TA6IPE-M
I'm not edumicated enough to discuss the Neanderthal issue, so I'll swerve that. However, on the "believer/non believer" issue the lyrics to the tune above sum it all up, far better than I could ever manage. IMVHO, of course. |
|
By:
oh I wished it could be so, as the OP says, supersitious nonsense. For those of a particular mind-set though (control and getting their own way) religion is a very useful means to an end of course. If I were to set up a company and refuse to employs blacks there would be uproar and I'd be subject to all sorts of repercussions... but call your company a religion and change blacks to gays/females and it's a free pass all the way.
It has to stop, just because you are a religion doesn't make you exempt from the laws that the rest of us have to follow. |
|
By:
I wouldn't use the word ban but I'm with Richard Dawkins on this one - it's time for militant atheism. For too long atheists have taken the perfectly reasonable stance of:
"If you want to believe in God, fine, that's up to you." Unfortunately, this is a one way street where the give is from the non-believers and the take is from the believers, in that 'religionists' demand an influence over how society runs, be that from the C of E, the Catholic Church or from mainstream Muslim organisiations. So the atheist has been easy going and now finds that he/she is having their life affected by being so easy going in the first place. In the absence of emperical evidence for the existence of God, and there being emperical evidence that God and religion are human constructs dating back many centuries it's time to remove the platform for the 'religionists' to influence society en masse. How to do it? Feck knows. Certainly start with the outlawing of collective worship and RE lessons from school. Stop the wearing of all religious symbols and clothing within schools. Teach a 'humanist' approach within schools. Outlaw all religious broadcasts that rely in any part on the financial support of tax-payers. Compulsory purchase orders on all properties deemed to be under the ownership of any church. Remove the right of churches to collect money in any format not available to charities generally. Treat church "news stories" such as the ordination of women, gay clergy etc with the same seriousness that one would treat stories involving mediums, psychics and people who think sitting under a crystal will prevent gout. Then prepare yourself for a long anti-religion advertising campaign similar to the "Don't Drink and Drive" one that has gradually made that habit socially unacceptable. Finally, prepare for a century of strife, death and mayhem as those with a vested interest fight what you're doing. |
|
By:
lfc1971 • May 25, 2013 1:17 AM BST
But the point scientists are missing is that men were originally neanderthals. There may have been some cross-species breeding involving Neanderthal Man but their input into our DNA is tiny, if it exists at all. There was a scientific paper published By Oxford or Cambridge Uni last year which threw even that contribution into doubt. |
|
By:
One would have thought that when Darwin published 'On the Origin of Species' in 1859
Religion would have been blown clean out of the water (he delayed publication because he feared this may hurt people) But not a bit of it, people just 'Moved the Goalposts' It appears Genesis was just God's first draft, in the end he did not go with it, and decided to use evolution instead. It suggests to me there is a need in us all to believe in something outside of reality. Which is why we still like to believe in the supernatural, ghosts, etc. On the box of all religions, there should be a compulsory warning DO NOT TAKE THIS TOO SERIOUSLY. So it is ok to attend our C of E church or our Mosque on Sunday.. But don't beat ourselves up if we end up down the pub or even read Richard Dawkins  like all things religion is best done in MODERATION |
|
By:
I do think there's a moral and philosophical issue.
I think it's unacceptable to expose children to religion. In fact I think it's morally unacceptable to expose anyone to religion who hasn't previously been exposed to religion. When you show them that first story from the bible or the Quran or take the person to the church for the first time and you say "It's OK for you believe in this, (even though I have no evidence to show you that what you're about to believe in is true)" then you have no idea what that person will do with the idea. He/she may dismiss it and live as an atheist; or make cakes and attend church in a nice hat every Sunday; or buy a guitar and do a theology degree; or one day end up in a bus station in Skegness with 60lbs of Semtex strapped to their chest. Since you don't know where that person will go on the religious path, you shouldn't imo encourage them to take the first step. (Yes ebul. Dawkins is a humourless t0sser and I don't like him but on this subject I think he's right unfortunately.) |
|
By:
I think it's unacceptable to expose children to religion
Been saying this for years. No RE / RK in schools, and shield kids from religion until they're 15 or 16. Then see how many of them take it up, as opposed to those who are brainwashed from birth under the present systems. |
|
By:
FFS Dawkins
 This is same twonk who actually wrote the phrase "Christian Taliban" referring to some US baptists. If a juvenile only said that in an offhand manner that I'd cringe but at least could pass it off as immaturity or total failure of imagination or possibly too much alcohol. "it's time for militant atheism." That's been very popular for the last century, you should get out more. China currently threatening a few religious type countries, could use a good militant like yourself. "be that from the C of E, the Catholic Church or from mainstream Muslim organisiations." Translation: too fooking scared and pc to single out what 99 percent of the problem is, so lets ban them all, but will tip toe away from the scarey one if it looks at you. |
|
By:
I take your point Pandorica
it is very difficult for children to unlearn what they have been first taught it becomes part of us But I don't actually think it is religion that is the problem here, myself  .I think it is more a lack of respect for each other's belief's and culture that is the problem.. we are retreating to the extremes on both sides. Your quote Finally, prepare for a century of strife, death and mayhem as those with a vested interest fight what you're doing. that is exactly what I am against....I want Toleration. As the modern world is now a much smaller place in terms of transport and communication our values will gradually meld together anyway in time. But of course it wont be smooth all the way, but let us not make it harder than it need be, Please. At least we seem to agree on Richard Dawkins  |
|
By:
Pandorica 25 May 13 10:37 Joined: 10 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 10,848 | Blogger: Pandorica's blog
I do think there's a moral and philosophical issue. I think it's unacceptable to expose children to religion. In fact I think it's morally unacceptable to expose anyone to religion who hasn't previously been exposed to religion. My two boys are not christened for exactly this reason,who am i to decide their path for them? When they are old/educated enough to choose their own path,or not as may well be the case(and i think i prefer this option) then me and their mum will be there to support them whatever,i dont think its a parents duty to commit their children to the armies of the faiths without asking them in the first place if they wanna join up! |
|
By:
a fair view patrick
|
|
By:
polybot makes a very good point, although i disagree about Dawkins, for me the greatest living Englishman
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
All(almost) the great scientists, artists, musicians, poets and writers, inventors etc are from the Judeau/Christian
religion. There is no reason why all religions should be equal |
|
By:
All progress...if we can call it that..with democracy and science for the last few hundred years comes from
largely christian countries |
|
By:
well that is the point lfc1971
the last few hundred years before that it was the Islamic world that held the bulk of scientific knowledge before that Greece, China....whatever, do you not see If we think the answer to our problems is to attack religion in general or Muslims in particular, it shows just what a sad, morally bankrupt world we are now living in. We can offer nothing ourselves so lets just attack everybody different in the hope we may find something. just my opinion |
|
By:
Pandorica
"Or do you want a quick precis of Catholicism?"  You have simply parroted a doctrinaire set of talking points. Rather than correcting you one by one on these cliches, pick your very strongest card and let's see how strong your grasp of logic and fact is."Singling them out though is ridiculous." It would be very basic science, at the level of a 10 year old. Do you find statistics scary? Maybe all that political correctness indoctrination has removed your ability to discriminate? |
|
By:
The Rastafari way of life should be embraced by all.
|
|
By:
ebulgery
You make a fair point, but for all its faults Christianity has been seen to work and live alongside progress. A slightly silly point you may think but has any other religion produced something as lovely as Christmas Carols? |
|
By:
There are passages in the Bible that even someone who does not believe will find poetic and moving
I don`t believe any other religious book does this |
|
By:
is that your best argument lfc1971
mind you I like Christmas Carols  Progress and Christianity. I think you will find scientific knowledge had a struggle against the Catholic Church? Galileo was forced to renounce his findings by the inquisition. I think scientists, who drive our progress, come from all cultures. The West and America have doe well in recent times, but some of that has to do with money American Universities are the best equipped in the world. I think the bulk of knowledge will eventually move onto China and the far east, in time but that is just my personal opinion. |
|
By:
Well the Bible has lots of different versions
A lot of the moving prose actually comes from whoever wrote the King James bible. They worked from the Latin, the prose was their own. |
|
By:
Well the Bible has lots of different versions
A lot of the moving prose actually comes from whoever wrote the King James bible. They worked from the Latin, the prose was their own. |
|
By:
"before that it was the Islamic world that held the bulk of scientific knowledge
before that Greece," Sort of, the caliphate conquered and occupied many lands that contained scientific knowledge, much of which was destroyed and relatively little was developed in 1200 years. |
|
By:
The reformation the rediscovery of knowledge in Europe
came from Islamic sources, mostly in Spain otherwise we would have had to start again from the basics This never ending attack on Islam is not the answer It has only happened since the fall of the Soviet Union.. we needed another enemy if we exterminate all Muslims... we will only find yet another enemy we should be careful...one day there wont be any of us left, we will have killed everybody |
|
By:
It was not the case that the west needed another enemy, the Soviet Union and its empire kept a lid on
this problem. They were always an allay with the west in this sense. A great nation along with the US |
|
By:
ps the King James version is a masterpiece
|
|
By:
The Rennaisance if anything began after the intellectuals fled the Ottomans to Italy, this is an bizarre argument for the Ottomans causing it though.
Islam in Spain and the Reconquista did nothing but dehumanise an army of State mercenaries in preparation for south america. |
|
By:
an evil empire
quote from Ronald Reagan exactly what was the Vietnam, Korean wars about than a fight against communism after your all male race of Neanderthal males cross breeding with an all female race of humans theory (how on earth did they reproduce before they met )I would question your knowledge of biology lfc1971 does it need to be recent history as well anyway I am off you do put up some interesting theories lfc1971, it has to be said |
|
By:
you seem obsessed with the Ottomans Polybot
|
|
By:
if we exterminate all Muslims...
not sure who is suggesting that. "one day there wont be any of us left, we will have killed everybody" You mean like most of the mideast which has been cleansed of any diversity? |
|
By:
thanks ebulgery, better go as well
 |
|
By:
I'm off too, shopping for a low upholstered seat or footstool without a back or arms that typically serves also as a box, with the seat hinged to form a lid.
|
|
By:
EBULGERY is exceptionally wise.. hat off to you sir!
Religion is an almost inevitable result of human evolution and cannot be banned as there will always be believers. TO suggest evolution should have ended religious belief shows a total lack of understanding I'm afraid. Don't think OP should take on a challenge he cannot possibly complete or win tbh! (Ifor is a 'militant' atheist) |
|
By:
polybot - I'm sorry. I make this mistake every time on chit-chat. I make the assumption that I'm talking to adults who don't feel a desperate psychological urge to score points by quoting out of context.
My mistake. Carry on. No wonder the forum is slowly dying on its @rse. |
|
By:
see I was right what I said last night
|
