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By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 15:36
That's exactly the point, Clunge.  The scientists were not allowed to properly examine the evidence.  It was systematically and illegally destroyed.

Science is being ignored.  A building cannot collapse at freefall speed without being imploded.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 01 Oct 12 15:37
Scientists disagree.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 15:43
I'm not sure if you have watched the video evidence of the WTC 7 collapse recently, sir, but it is clearly a controlled demoilition. 

There is a clip on YouTube of one of the 911 commissioners denying the fact that molten metal was present in the rubble, despite a wealth of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.  Which is simply bizarre.  Why would he do that?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 15:45
How can a falling body take the path of greatest resistance?  Show me the science where this is possible?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 15:55
Clunge:  When the twin towers started to collapse a great deal of debris was exploded outwards.  Once in open air this debris obviously began falling to the ground, but here's the thing... it fell at the same speed as the rest of the building which had to make its way through the thousands of tonnes of reinforced steel and concrete the massive structure below it represented.

This is not possible absent exlosives removing the supports simultaneously.  Yes, failure is possible as you say, but not all at exactly the same time.  It is simply not credible, sir.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 16:07
Here's a lnk to the NIST engineer denying the presence of molten metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36bkCB8sTY
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 16:22
Good chatting with you again, sir. 

Bye for now.
By:
GPT
When: 01 Oct 12 16:29
A wild stab in the dark I know but I'm guessing architects do not and have never tested their buildings for the impact of fuel laden passenger aeroplanes at several hundred mph.
Perhaps that's why they fell down.
By:
BillyBunnsLane
When: 01 Oct 12 17:44
I think the only conspiracy arising from 9/11 is the covering of a 1000 a**es as the US intelligence agencies try and hide their errors. As polybot says, there would be too many people involved to have kept it secret till now.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 17:47
GPT

That will never explain WTC7. No plane hit it yet it collapsed into its own footprint at near free fall speed.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 17:48
Billy

That is highly possible but it will never explain WTC7.
By:
GPT
When: 01 Oct 12 18:20
Angal yes it does as WTC7 collapsed as result of the fires from the other bulidings,hth and you can now move on from your mad conspiracy theory.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 18:25
Mad conspiracyHappy

Never has a steel framed building collapsed in such a manner without being detonated and you buy it.

The NIST inquiry could not explain it, but only offer up a THEORY because the evidence had been swiftly transported to China.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 19:24
Anybody care to share their thoughts on the NIST official in the video link I posted earlier?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36bkCB8sTY

I find it absolutely incredible that the organisation which officially declared that there was no evidence of explosives, thermitic or otherwise, are supposedly unaware of the presence of molten steel in the rubble of all three buildings.  And continue to deny it was ever there despite irrefutable testimony.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 19:40
I doubt it Pokermonster.

They just like to label those questioning as idiots.

NIST declared that there was no evidence of explosives, thermitic or otherwise..this is because they never looked for explosives. Can you believe that? The most important crime scene in human history and they did not do a thorough investigation.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 01 Oct 12 19:51
Gpt... Architects dont test sh1t, engineers do that.  Architects ensure the curtains match the carpets.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 01 Oct 12 19:51
Its either an architectural masterpiece or an engineering disaster.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:00
The gentleman in the video is Dr. John Gross, structural engineer and lead investigator for the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Are we supposed to believe that this man of all people was not aware of the presence of molten steel, a clear indicator of explosives?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:05
At least twenty rescuers attested to the fact, not to mention an abundance of video evidence.
By:
tobermory
When: 01 Oct 12 20:07
I'd have thought that buildings are usually demolished with planted explosive charges because that is the safest, most likely to be successful, and most economical method, rather than the people who demolish buildings only came upon this method after first trying, and failing , to demolish them by flying planes into the upper stories.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 01 Oct 12 20:09
I might ask some of the engineers at work about this tomorrow.  Funnily enough, despite working for structural engineers for the last 11 years i cant recall it ever being discussed in the work place.  Ive drawn some pretty big buildings 20 storey plus in London iirc, but havent a clue whether or not a plane would bring them down in the same way the twin towers went down. 

In fact on the day it happened i remember when news filtered through that a plane hat hit one of the towers, two of the engineers were on opposite ends of the discussion ... Could the tower collapse?  Then a few minutes later they collapsed.  Dont know what that proves, but its my two penneth.  I dont totally dismiss the idea of a conspiracy but havent read so much about it all.  I am continually surprised at the levels of corruption that slowly get exposed within the powers that be that nothing would surprise me anymore.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:10
Good evening AG.

I've received a few childish insults when discussing this subject, too, sir  I always take it as a backhanded compliment of sorts; a sign of an argument won.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:17
Good evening Rob, I hope you are well, sir.

I'm a reluctant sceptic.  With regards to whether or not the atrocities of September 11th 2001 were a false flag operation, personally I've always been unwilling to believe that the United States' government could be complicit in such a heinous act of mass murder.  The fact is that many of the theories one reads about on the internet, all purporting to show proof of a cover up in one way or another, are absurd in the extreme and insulting to the memory of those who lost their lives.  Holographic aircraft, ball-shaped missiles disguised as planes, Illuminatic prophecies etc, are all utter bóllocks in my opinion.

What troubles me greatly, however, is the manner in which WTCs 1, 2 and 7 were razed to the ground.  I have seen a wealth of compelling evidence to suggest that these buildings were imploded, and very little of scientific worth to suggest that they were not.  Steel-framed structures cannot collapse at free-fall speed (as per WTC 7) or near free-fall speed (as per the twin towers) without the presence of carefully primed explosives to sever the core columns simultaneously. 

Believe me, I'd be very grateful if anyone could convince me to the contrary, so would be very interested to hear your colleagues' opinions.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 20:17
Good evening Pokermanster

I tend to find its the ones who do not really understand the questions being raised that start with the conspiracy nut remarks.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 20:20
If Rob is to discuss matters of collapse with his work colleagues then i would be very interested on their views on WTC7.

Ignore for an instance who the tenants were and just the science of the collapse.
By:
tobermory
When: 01 Oct 12 20:22
Why is never explained

what was the point of this so called conspiracy?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:28
Good evening Toby, I trust you are well, sir.

There are many conjectures as to why these atrocities were committed (a false flag being one of them as I mentioned above) but none of which I am comfortable discussing as I simply do not know.  I feel on surer ground sticking to scientific debate.
By:
tobermory
When: 01 Oct 12 20:36
I don't know much about science but i think people underestimate the ease with which a population can be persuaded to support a war (Goering said it is the easiest thing a Government can do, doesn't matter if the country is democratic or not) .

If they wanted to attack Afghanistan ,Iraq or whatever , they could easily have concocted a justification for doing so that would have been overwhelmingly popular without 9/11
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 20:38
Tobe

It has been attempted to be clarified millions of times over by a large percentage of the global population.

The war on terror is now a never ending war. As long as there are muslims(radicalised) there will be terrorists. Depending on which side you are on depends on how you perceive a terrorist.

The events of 9/11 branded into the psyche of those watching live on TV. Support for the cause was automatic. The agenda had always had a purpose but now it had the support of the people. The military/industrial complex could crank it up. There is no coincidence natural riches are hidden beneath these muslim states. No coincidence that horns have clashed over these riches.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:40
And democracy is not always a good thing, of course.  It fails somewhat when two wolves and a sheep decide what to have for dinner.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 01 Oct 12 20:43
What are the hidden riches in afghanistan though?  Ive heard some people say it is about heroin.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 20:43
Without 9/11 how would the operation in Afganistan be explained to the people?
By:
Pokermonster
When: 01 Oct 12 20:45
I must bid you gentlemen good bye.  Many thanks for your company this evening.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 01 Oct 12 20:48
The heroin war lords need to launder their money. The profits on heroin are unbelievable. Where is the money laundered?

Also strategically Afganistan is prime for a military base to put pressure on Iran.
By:
tobermory
When: 01 Oct 12 21:02

Oct 1, 2012 -- 2:43PM, Angel Gabrial wrote:


Without 9/11 how would the operation in Afganistan be explained to the people?


An invasion of Afghanistan would have been explained easily enough: Already Al Qaeda attacks had been carried out (USS Cole,African Embassies) since Bin Laden had been living there.The Taliban was a regime without any real friends at all ( was even close to War with Iran) and was regarded as the most barbarous on the planet. But actually there was no real american invasion .Instead there was a half hearted campaign of air strikes , support for warlords on the ground , for people like Karzai in the political sense, and a few hundred special forces . The only reason there was later a very large american army was because of the failure of the original strategy, as The Taliban in 2001 had been able to withdraw their forces largely intact to safer terrain.

By:
666_v
When: 01 Oct 12 21:05
Haven't read up but I take it you all know of BBC3 on now 7/7 Conspiracy Road Trip
By:
DonNo1
When: 01 Oct 12 21:17
I watched a documentary recently entitled 'The Miracle Survivor' about a guy who survived from the 22nd floor by riding down the debris until coming to rest at the level of the 7th floor sitting on all the debris.  On one hand you had one some medicolegal investigator I think who was extremely sceptical whilst on the other you had some professor supporting the story as a result of hurricane winds created when the towers came down

A lot of random instances will have happened that day that cannot be explained, ask two experts and you'll get different answers.  The fact is whatever question marks have been raised, the probability that they occurred as has been portrayed infinitely exceeds the probability that such an inside job could be covered up after all this time. 

Exactly what historic incidents are there to go on regarding how a building should collapse after 767 is flown into it, or how a close lying building should function after being hammered with the debris.  Their collapse may not follow logical explanation but neither does a guy surfing down a collapsing building 15 floors and surviving unscathed.

How exactly should the building have collapsed? I haven't looked at it in detail but didn't one wing of the WTC7 give way first, I would have thought the other supports would have given way instantaneously rather than the building simply falling to one side.
By:
GPT
When: 01 Oct 12 21:18
So in summary the governments of several countries colluded to kill thousands of their own citizens in order to invade the middle eastCrazy.They used remote controlled passenger jets(yeah right)and demolished 3 skyscrapers without 1 single person noticing the planting of what would have to be an enourmous array of explosive devicesLaugh
Good one.
By:
blackburn1
When: 01 Oct 12 21:25
As bizarre as it sounds GPT, there are people who think that.

I'll put my head in the swing doors and ask this:

How and when were the explosives delivered to the buildings?
By:
paradox and equilibrium
When: 01 Oct 12 21:30
Hmmm.. maybe during the weeks of Elevator servicing prior to sep 11, or in the unprecedented building power down that happened in the weekend prior with all cameras and security compromised under the explanation of replacing internet cabling building wide. Confused
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