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AMAZING... an EARTH twin.......the universe is obviosly teeming with life...
AMAZING... an EARTH twin.......the universe is obviosly teeming with life...
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agree totally AG
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Religions will adapt and add it to their proofs of god.
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They can have their Gods, but their so called factual historical literature needs eradicating. The more we find the larger the question as to why it was not mentioned in the big book. They struggle with evolution, earths age, dinosaurs because we all know its not mentioned in the big book.
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mind blowing....perhaps drakes equation....if anything..was on the pessimistic side!!!!!!!
  the drake equation is absolute cobblers.where are they all then? Planet earth would be prime real estate in this universe. The Fermi paradox can be asked in two ways. The first is, "Why are no aliens or their artifacts physically here?" If interstellar travel is possible, even the "slow" kind nearly within the reach of Earth technology, then it would only take from 5 million to 50 million years to colonize the galaxy.[12] This is a relatively small amount of time on a geological scale, let alone a cosmological one. Since there are many stars older than the Sun, or since intelligent life might have evolved earlier elsewhere, the question then becomes why the galaxy has not been colonized already. Even if colonization is impractical or undesirable to all alien civilizations, large-scale exploration of the galaxy is still possible; the means of exploration and theoretical probes involved are discussed extensively below. However, no signs of either colonization or exploration have been generally acknowledged. |
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My own opinion is that life is rife in the Universe but intelligent life that doesn't kill itself (or be killed) and gets to space, is very rare indeed.
I've a feeling there is life on Europa but in any case, I think Kepler will turn up many more Earth like planets. |
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the drake equation is not "cobblers"..
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from the above article...
The fortuitous discovery could mean that potentially habitable alien worlds could exist in a greater variety of environments than was previously thought possible, the researchers said. "Statistics tell us we shouldn't have found something this quickly this soon unless there's a lot of them out there," Vogt said. "This tells us there must be an awful lot of these planets out there. It was almost too easy to find, and it happened too quickly." |
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and maleuk01...
perhaps we...ourselves are the evidence of the exploration/colonization??!!!! |
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"Statistics tell us we shouldn't have found something this quickly this soon unless there's a lot of them out there," Vogt said. "This tells us there must be an awful lot of these planets out there. It was almost too easy to find, and it happened too quickly."
it shows there are millions of planets out there, it doesnt show there are millions of planets with the capability of supporting life and it doesnt show at all the existience of intellegent life out there. ohhh and the drake equation is complete b0ll0cks, it doesnt even take into account the radiation levels throughout the galaxy! if there are trillions of intellegent aliens show me proof of just 1! (other than ourselves). We dont even know how dna formed, we cannot get it to randonly appear in a lab. in time our sun will die, and hopefully the human race is still in existience and if so we would need to start to colonize the glaxay. The same would be the same for any intellegent aliens out there. We see absolutely no evidence of this. Therefore if intellegent life is out there, we must assume its extremley rare indeed. |
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Definitely rare but Kepler's results are so inspiring you've just gotta concede that there are many more Earth like worlds out there. I'm confident we will find a planet with an atmosphere that indicates life in my lifetime.
Big beings and those that can communicate oer the heavens are so much rarer but planets about, even Moons can be harbingers of life. |
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Definitely rare but Kepler's results are so inspiring you've just gotta concede that there are many more Earth like worlds out there. I'm confident we will find a planet with an atmosphere that indicates life in my lifetime.
i hope so too, what happens if we do and see no life signs there (looking via the constitution of the atmosphere)? eventually we need a candidate or a few candidates to eventually move too. The more earth style planets we find and still no evidence of life, what does this actually suggest to us? |
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We are only at the cusps of something new.
A failed Earth like Venus means nothing, if we find enough planets then life will be found. We aren't and shouldn't be looking for intelligent species. What amazes me on planets we find is we can look at their spectroscopy, find out what is in it's atmosphere and find out if life as we know it exists. I'm confident, in fact ultra confident we will find life in the next 10 years. |
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I'm confident, in fact ultra confident we will find life in the next 10 years.
they said that 50 years ago! |
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I'm confident, in fact ultra confident we will find life in the next 10 years.
they said that 50 years ago! |
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Ultra confident of life in the next 10 years, of intelligent life will have to wait a bit longer.
We'll destroy ourselves quicker. |
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..they have only just started looking in any real sense and are already finding candidates ..that on the scale of the universe are as close as basically sitting on the sofa with us watching the tv...
extrapolate this by the enormous numbers of planets going round stars in our galaxy alone yet alone the billions of stars in other galaxies and the potential amount of planets in the habitable zone is enormous.... i guess your just being realistic mal......for me my gut instinct is that there are huge numbers of planets with life on out there....some with litttle more than microscopic life...some at our stage and some far far beyond...!!! ..anyway interesting site for those interested... http://www.astrobio.net/ |
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another exoplanet....great stuff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17117030 |
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....may only be able to support the most basic of "life" forms...
but interesting nonetheless..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17225127 |
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..incredible.....
estimates of super earths in the habital zones in our galaxy alone in the billions!!! http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4657/billions-of-habitable-zone-rocky-planets-could-be-orbiting-red-dwarf-stars http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17532470 amazing.....  |
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Egner, I can feel your joy, and sincerely hope that if we have alien visitors they choose your back garden to land in as I think you'd make a fine ambassador for Earth.
Not sure what I think about colonising the galaxy. Even the damage we've doen to our own planet seems to be making it less and less habitable. Even if we found an exact replica of Earth, but say 10 degrees hotter and with no ozone layer it sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to live on. Certainly I think that space exploration is absolutely fascinating but I can't see myself moving planet I'm afraid. What seems conceivable is that we would discover radio emissions or something during our lifetimes that indicated the certain existence of alien life that we could pinpoint to a particular star or even planet. It's absolutely fascinating to think how this would change our attitudes on Earth. |
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the certain existence of alien life that we could pinpoint to a particular star
I'd settle for knowing the answer to that in my lifetime. It's fascinating that a notional alien could have figured out that life existed on earth in the Cambrian period just from knowing the the relative chemical composition of the atmosphere. Maybe we will one day do the same in reverse. I suspect that any aliens, however advanced, may still be struggling to find an objective measure of things like suffering or happiness. But to learn for sure that we are not alone in the universe would be onw of the greatest moments in earth's long history. |
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I suspect that any aliens, however advanced, may still be struggling to find an objective measure of things like suffering or happiness.
That means that my objective measure of happpiness model might be the most advanced in the entire Milky Way. That's going on my CV. |
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By my reckoning there can't be much out there - other than insect life
UNLESS we are the most 'intelligent/advanced ' out there of all life forms which in itself would be incredible assuming there are billions of life forms out there . Any more advanced would have made their presence known in some way - bearing in mind what little we knew a mere 1,000 years ago - some planet which is just say 10,000 years in advance to us would have made their presence known by now surely ? |
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Maybe they think we're a bunch of knobs and don't want to hang out with us. Or maybe it's well-known around the universe that every species acts like ****s until a millenium or two after discovering nuclear power and they'rewaiting for us to grow up a bit.
Joking aside, I don't think you can really accurately predict what advanced aliens might think about a given situation. I don't even understand women. |
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...estimated 17 billion earth size exoplanets in the milky way alone.......must be something out there surely.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24549384 amazing hope we find life and maybe even other civilisations before I die. |
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We've got 4 hours then.
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..then I have used up an hour watching arsenal when im a spurs supporter...
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If there is other intelligent life out there why have they not contacted us? Are they unsociable or stupid?!
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Discoveries coming thick and fast of late, exciting times.
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Why would numerOne think they can or would even wish to?
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The most advanced civilisations will have developed systems to protect the less advanced....we may be in a communication filtering bubble.
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Ivor 22 Oct 13 21:04 Joined: 27 Mar 02 | Topic/replies: 9,773 | Blogger: Ivor's blog
Why would numerOne think they can or would even wish to? I don't assume either. I was merely suggesting a pair of propositional mappings. Propositional Calculas in maths speak if I remember rightly. |
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..just thinking of these numbers and the vastness of our universe is incredible.....
an estimated 17 billion earth size planets in our galaxy (the milky way) alone.... and an estimated 100 billion other galaxies in the universe.....!!!!!!!!!! ..even if only a tiny tiny fraction of earth size planets are in the habitable zones surely there is something else out there!!! |
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howdy renge..i hail from the planet Trafalmadore.
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howdy renge..i hail from the planet Trafalmadore.
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I hope your lot don't say EVERYTHING twice!
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Yes numer0ne.. I was thinking along the lines of how incomprehensible our lives are today in relation to our ancestors of just 100/150 years ago. Imagine if our GP's deceased in the early 1900's or GGP's 1850's came back today. 200mph cars, 50mpg cars, superfast trains, Mediterranean and worldwide travel, motorways, mobile phones and text messages, 100 television stations, supersonic flight, men on the moon, humans on the ISS, spacecraft and telescopes far out in space etc.
Even my 1920's born Mum cannot comprehend how I can skype with Aussie 5th.cousins unknown to us just a few years ago or chat with a whole load of Betfair strangers every day! We have newly found bugs living in the atmosphere above us, the weirdest of creatures in the ocean depths, even the yeti has now been identified. If the earth were 'human' it would be middle-aged and dinosaurs were alive just half-an-hour ago. (there's one or two in the politics forum) Multiply this by the numbers such as renge has just quoted and I don't think we can even imagine what those other 'lifeforms' maybe like even in substance, let alone manner of existence. Doubt they'd be watching Sky News or x-factor! |
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..spot on Ivor.
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...nice site for anyone interested........
I don't pretend to understand it all but very interesting and I like learning. http://www.astrobio.net/ |