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9/11 was it a conspiracy?

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By:
blackburn1
When: 26 Sep 13 14:41
Extraordinary
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 14:45
Bread&Butter is not Angel Gabrial.

If you can understand this then you are making progress BlackyWink
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 14:46
Extraordinary

What is? are you sure that you understand your own question Blacky? read it again.
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 15:12
A Time magazine article dated August 14, 2005, reports that Weldon admitted he is no longer sure that Atta's name was on the chart he presented to Hadley and that he was unable to verify whether this was the case,
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 15:18
Any possible reasons why this would be Dobbo?

Because here he is willing to go to the media with his assertions.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x188as_congressman-weldon-on-able-danger_news
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 15:33
I'm not going to follow the link because there is always another link and another assertion or denial. As someone said earlier all these claims are 'could be" "claimed""suggested"  Some people want to  believe the conspiracy and no amount of argument would persuade them that the mysterious forces of the spooks are not involved.Its a dead argument/
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 15:38
It`s a direct interview on CNN where is claiming there is a cover up. It is a political webpage and not a `truthers` page. This is a congresseman claiming Able Danger cover up.

If these characters are discounted as conspiracy nuts, then were will the truth ever come from?
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 15:54
Well you could argue that the vast majority of congressmen do not subscribe to the cover up theory but then I guess each and every one of them will have been leaned on in some way. Curt Weldon looks to me like a typical grab it now politician. He swims in the murk so yes lets discount him as a conspiracy nut.

Where is the truth to come from?
Perhaps its too obvious for you to grasp. Woods and trees sort of thing.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 16:42
And where is the wood Dobbo, if it is an analogy for the truth.

Planted in the composted manure of the 9/11 Commission Report? As i have said before they may be covering their incompetence, but when members of an undercover operation come forward to blow the whistle then why is it left out of the Commission Report?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 17:09
Five witnesses who had worked on Able Danger and had been questioned by the Defense Department's Inspector General later told investigative journalists that their statements to the IG were distorted by investigators in the final IG's report, or the report omitted essential information that they had provided. The alleged distortions of the IG report centered around excluding any evidence that Able Danger had identified and tracked Atta years before 9/11. The witnesses reported to the journalists that the IG investigators got increasingly hostile in an effort to intimidate the witnesses into changing their testimony to drop any assertion that they had identified and tracked Atta, and this suggests a cover-up by the IG of Able Danger's findings. Witnesses reported telling Philip Zelikow, executive director of the 9/11 Commission, that Able Danger had identified Atta well before the 9/11 attacks, but Zelikow showed no interest in their testimony. Lt. Col Tony Shaffer also reported that the DOD has retaliated against him for speaking out publicly about the IG report's distortions
By:
Emden
When: 26 Sep 13 17:47
After spending 3 months reading this thread - I'm beginning to warm to the conspiracy theory.

Need a bit more info before I finally decide though
By:
breadnbutter
When: 26 Sep 13 18:14
Laugh anyone else converting LaughCoolLaugh
By:
breadnbutter
When: 26 Sep 13 18:15
dont want the thickos ...they a lost cause and better on the other side Wink
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 18:24
I believe they were let through......

and the Kenya attacks seem to have happened at a rather opportune time for the President also considering his upcoming engagement......

probably be blamed on an "intelligence failure" though...

so that's Ok.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 18:27
egner

I believe they were let through......

me to.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 26 Sep 13 18:38
no plane no gain Whoops
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 19:01
and the Kenya attacks seem to have happened at a rather opportune time for the President also considering his upcoming engagement......

And you expect to be taken seriously?
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 19:08
..I don't expect anything dobbo.....

..mine is one opinion on things among millions of opinions....people can agree or disagree...

but if you think that there aren't some people in this world who wouldn't stoop so low to remain in power I believe you are mistaken.

..forgot about the vice president as well by the way!!!
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 19:13
@ Dobbo

He got that info from an impeccable source.
Elvis told him Laugh
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 19:15
....why would I be talking to Elvis????ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 19:18
One point may be that you simply do not have enough information to justify having any opinion on the Kenya bombings.But ignorance of the full facts doesn't seem to get in your way.
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 19:18
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh nice 1
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 19:25
and the Kenya attacks seem to have happened at a rather opportune time for the President also considering his upcoming engagement......


1..the attacks happened...and 2 the timing was opportune......


they are 2 facts.....
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 19:27
Hard to argue with compelling evidence like that. Tongue Out
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 19:32
If there was other evidence aka, then there would be no need for a `theory` to link the facts to any cover up.

People seem to mock theories because they are only theoriesCry
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 19:35
Nope. Some are more feasible than others like a cover up of errors over 9/11
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 19:46
Yes aka a cover up by National Intelligence agencies hiding their phuck ups when tracking the terror cell onto American soil seems feasible.

Then throw into the mix NORAD failing 4 times on the same day to defend American air space and to some theories start to expand that was the original cover up, protecting prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, or did NORAD also fail 4 times on the same day due to more phuck ups?

The 2 facts here are that the CIA phucked up and that NORAD phucked up? Even if there is no conspiracy of an inside job, who has been named and shamed? No one high up!
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 19:48
And the proof of these mistakes is?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 19:52
Able Danger whistleblowers

NORAD failing to intercept 4 highjacked planes on the same day.

How much proof do you want AkaLaugh
By:
Dobbo
When: 26 Sep 13 19:52
1..the attacks happened...and 2 the timing was opportune......


they are 2 facts.....No thats one fact one opinion. Says it all  really.
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 20:06
At what time did they know the planes were hijacked?
And how long after that had they to act?
Mixed info? Confusion?
By the way Able Danger whistleblowers LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 20:11
Why are you laughing at Able Danger whistle blowers aka?

According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and those of four others, Able Danger had identified 2 of 3 Al Qaeda cells active in the 9/11 attacks; the 'Brooklyn cell' linked to Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, including September 11 attacks leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot's other 19 hijackers, as possible members of an al Qaeda cell linked to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Regarding NORAD aka, a trillion dallar air defense system and you are talking about reaction timesLaugh...
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 20:14
Mixed info? Confusion?

Yes so they say, it all became so confusing they couldn`t do anything to stop it.Cry
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 20:15
yes dobbo...it does.
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 20:17
When did they know the planes were hijacked? (you failed you answer that because you don't know)
Did they know before the first one hit it's target?
As regards how long dud they have to react. I was referring to the humans Laugh
You know, get info, confirm info and assimilate said info.
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 20:19
So egner the one fact you have is that it happened.
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 20:20
yes akubala...

and the date (timing) of when it happened.
By:
egner
When: 26 Sep 13 20:21
so that is the two facts on which I have formed my opinion.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 26 Sep 13 20:51
When did they know the planes were hijacked? (you failed you answer that because you don't know)

Aka, was you aware that NORAD changed it`s story and response times? i doubt you actually know very much at all.
By:
akabula
When: 26 Sep 13 21:00
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Nobody does because there is so much misinformation on the net.
You'll get at least 2 different answers to every question and sometimes many more.
Good night and long live Elvis.
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