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By:
polybot
When: 17 Sep 13 10:37
sorry about the big words in there, just do your best though.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 12:24
Niels Bohr's model of the atom made an analogy between the atom and the solar system.

Now this is an interesting analogy poly, and something which i am interested in and possibly something we agree with if you agree that on a subatomic level it seems to be mirrored on a cosmic level. Everything which is out there is also within us.

Far out man.

However your analogies are merely intended to belittle meSilly. Not very Christian now is it poly?
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 17 Sep 13 15:15
AG - keep fighting for the cause squire Wink

I haven't got the perseverance...blinkered believers (with cheek-pieces & tongue-straps too Silly) refuse to acknowledge facts and mountains of corroborative evidence and very few are open-minded enough to sense the odour of a rodent.

When everything goes tits up, I suspect all my mates will be banging on MY door (with their families) as they'll figure I'll know what to do - there won't be a place in the underground bunker for them because I haven't got one...I have no Plan 'B' Happy

What's the point in being a paranoid hoarder and letting all this sort of shíte hijack your life?
I'd rather go out with some dignity...before I start believing in the reptilian agenda Devil

I've ran out of fuel debating this business with the gullible Sad
By:
BillyBunnsLane
When: 17 Sep 13 15:46
I have no Plan 'B'

Me neither, He's s**t.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 15:47
NG

Polybot like any bot is programmed to put any opposing view of the 9/11 Commission Report into the trash can labelled `fantasist`.

Yet he sees`s Darwin as a fantasist, so in reality his grasp on fantasists is hardly recommended. A few warmongering financially backed psychopaths at the helm of American foreign policy seems small fry compared to his mindset.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 15:47
BillyLaugh
By:
AyersRock
When: 17 Sep 13 16:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVnwPml9Lt4

no authorities will explain the molten metal found at WTC 1,2, and 7 weeks after, not to mention the squibs

you can knock conspiracy theorist but unless you have answer to scientific questions they will always exist

also, anybody ever thought how strange it was that the wings of the planes cut so cleanly through the steel structure like knife through butter, you'd have thought they'd have been clipped off
By:
Kelly Brook
When: 17 Sep 13 17:54
you have definitive proof molten metal was found Ayers or is this more conjecture?
By:
AyersRock
When: 17 Sep 13 18:02
did you watch and listen to the eye witnesses in that link ?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 18:05
Ayers

Aluminium wings sliced through steel on that eventful day.
Aircraft vanished into the earth on impact.
The first ever steel framed bulding collapsed due to office fires.
Molten metal hotspots were imaged by NASA for days after.
A 4 trillion dollar air defence system failed 4 times on the same day.
George Bush was at a Primary School listening to the children read a book about a goat at the same timeDevil
The CIA lost vital documents regarding Able Danger.
Trillions of pounds vanish.

Come here there`s more.

Saddam is executed
Bin Laden bumped off
Mad Dog bumped off
They want Assad next...

and on and on the American war machine has a purpose and every year around the people of America are reminded of the 9/11 imigary to give the green light to the American elte to what is needed.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 18:07
Kelly

NASA too images of the hotspots and witnesses are on record of molten metal, these witnesses include first responders.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 18:08
*took

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 18:15
In the weeks and months after 9/11, numerous individuals report seeing molten metal in the remains of the World Trade Center:
bullet Ken Holden, who is involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at Ground Zero, later will tell the 9/11 Commission, “Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from [WTC] Building 6.”

Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”

Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminds him of a volcano.

Paramedic Lee Turner arrives at the World Trade Center site on September 12 as a member of a federal urban search and rescue squad. While at Ground Zero, he goes “down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground.” There he reportedly sees, “in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow—molten metal dripping from a beam.”
According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” [NATIONAL GUARD MAGAZINE, 12/2001]
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 18:17
As well as the reports of molten metal, data collected by NASA in the days after 9/11 finds dozens of “hot spots” (some over 1,300 degrees) at Ground Zero.

There is no mention whatsoever of the molten metal in the official reports by FEMA, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.
By:
Kelly Brook
When: 17 Sep 13 18:29
you have definitive proof molten metal was found Ayers or is this more conjecture?

Cry

I've no doubt people thought they saw all kinds of things. I asked for proof. That is to say evidence with real probative value.

Assertion 5 here:

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

and a whole page here:

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm#molten

The thermal image link shows the presence of hot spots, nothing to do with molten material? correct me if i'm mistaken Cool
By:
AyersRock
When: 17 Sep 13 18:36
Sometimes in central london, I've seen planes flying low enough on clear days to be able to see what carrier it is, not often but you can.

the planes that hit the twin towers were flying a lot lower than any plane I've seen flying through central london but

Many many eye witnesses all said the same thing on the description of the plane that hit both towers, that neither looked like commercial planes, they were grey, few windows and something appeared to be strapped on the bottom where normally underneath those boeings it would be a flat white surface other than the attached pitot tubes

i trust their initial descriptions
By:
AyersRock
When: 17 Sep 13 18:40
FWIW

I don;t think George Bush knew anything, he would have been a a liability with that kind of info, he wasn't in a primary school that day learning of the devastating news, he was just learning.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 19:10
That`s fine Kelly i  except that, but why was it never mentioned in the 9/11 Comission Report?

Unexplained/Totally ignored hotspots - Hardly a thorough investigation into Americas worst terrorist attack.
By:
bluemanc64
When: 17 Sep 13 19:21
Did the Americans compile the dossier on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,just to bring in another complete lie.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 17 Sep 13 20:53
58 different types of cancers have been diagnosed in first responders along with respiratory disease.

Over 1,100 WTC cancer victims and even the rescue dogs riddled with cancers.

The official verdict are that the exposure to asbestos and many other chemicals in the ground zero dust. Are we to believe the official narrative? The EPA told everybody the air was claean to breath but 12 years on serious health problems are esculating for first responders and others who were subject to the toxins.

Are these cancers radioactive related? is there any connection to the hotspots footage from NASA?
By:
polybot
When: 18 Sep 13 11:10
However your analogies are merely intended to belittle me. Not very Christian now is it poly?

Firstly, it's your your own idiotic ramblings that are belittling you.
Secondly, christian now? Something else you saw in a vision?
Let's set your insane 9/11 beliefs aside a moment, here's an easy test of your intelligence and mental stability. Simply find any post of mine ever, that indicates I'm either christian or believe in 6 days of creation.
When you have achieved this return with the reference and link, and we can declare you slightly less mentally unstable and delusional.
Then when these distracting delusions of yours are removed we can concentrate on your 9/11 fantasies.


For the record though I personally have nothing against christians, and the ones I have met seem far more honest, intelligent and mentally stable than types like yourself who think that a subscription to the Modern Atheist Digest automatically grants you some form of intelligence.
But clearly you think them extremely irrational, hence your constant and desperate use of 6 days of creation etc as some kind of defense of your theories, when it relates in no way at all to 9/11. What this implies is that you subconsciously know you are mentally unstable, but think them more insane than you, and therefore you somehow win. You are sadly mistaken though.
By:
polybot
When: 18 Sep 13 11:12
I anticipate your excuse may be that all the relevant posts were destroyed by Rumsfeld in WTC7 Laugh
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 18 Sep 13 11:28
You seem to be in denial Poly.

I can`t help you anymoreDevil
By:
polybot
When: 19 Sep 13 08:48
Let's set your insane 9/11 beliefs aside a moment, here's an easy test of your intelligence and mental stability. Simply find any post of mine ever, that indicates I'm either christian or believe in 6 days of creation.
When you have achieved this return with the reference and link, and we can declare you slightly less mentally unstable and delusional.
Then when these distracting delusions of yours are removed we can concentrate on your 9/11 fantasies.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 19 Sep 13 08:54
Keep trying poly

Anyone who challenges the 9/11 Commission Report is mentally unstable, delusional and a fantasist. I get ya polyWink
By:
AyersRock
When: 19 Sep 13 14:21
Poly is a good little boy who believes everything his masters tell himWink
By:
polybot
When: 20 Sep 13 09:18
Let's set your insane 9/11 beliefs aside a moment, here's an easy test of your intelligence and mental stability. Simply find any post of mine ever, that indicates I'm either christian or believe in 6 days of creation.
When you have achieved this return with the reference and link, and we can declare you slightly less mentally unstable and delusional.
Then when these distracting delusions of yours are removed we can concentrate on your 9/11 fantasies.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 10:40
The bot has become repetitive in it`s replies. They still haven`t created one to entirely think for itself. Probably the next stage of EVOLUTIONDevil

poly if you are not a creationist then why do you champion that perception so highly.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 10:42
Let's set your insane 9/11 beliefs aside a moment

I love this repetitive line poly.

So anyone who challenges the officail 9/11 Commission Report is insane. Is this what you are saying?
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Sep 13 11:33
I can understand Polys instinctive distrust of AG and other conspiracy theorists, it is something
that can be dangerous because it is not based on logic but comes from something darker.

It is essentially fear based and the people likely to hold such views share characteristics with
the type of people in Nazi Germany who peddled the anti jewish conspiracies.

Of course AG and Naval Gazer might think they are being anti-establishment, but then so did the
early nazi propaganda. When people throw away reason then it can lead to dangerous times.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 11:40
lfc

How you doing palGrin

A thought process divided by duality is more dangerous lfc. The very idea that the American agencies and elite had prior knowledge of the attacks is not much of a conspiracy, accusing anyone who refuses to accept the government sponsored commission report of insanity is more dangerous lfc.
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Sep 13 11:48
Doing OK thanks AG.

I am not sure i understand this duality thing, you will have to explain it to meHappy

But the point is a lot of the anti-American stuff comes from a sinister place.It is right
to be sceptical, but for me conspiracy theorists have a mindset and nothing can alter it.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 12:16
There are many levels of conspiracy theorism lfc, but they have all been tied up into the same `nutter` bundle by the media and governments.

You believe the official version (sane) or you doubt the official version (insane)(conspiracy theorist)
Good v Bad
Left v Right
Black v White

The governments want people to take sides (divide and rule) rather meeting in the middle and discussing things, because that is dangerous. It`s alway favourable for a government to have a division in thought process or else there would be a danger that everyone doubted their honesty. Lets label those who question Operation Able Danger, `nutters` for example and you will find people shouting `nutters` that have never even heard of Able Danger.
By:
blackburn1
When: 20 Sep 13 12:19
I'm always amazed why the people like gabrial that have sussed it all out aren't running things themselves.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 13:02
That`s ironic David because what amazes me is that people like you would burn to death before you realised you was on fire.
By:
blackburn1
When: 20 Sep 13 13:10
I'd say that's implausible if not impossible, but you'll believe anything.

Incidentally gabrial I notice another thread disappeared, I'd suggest you're on thin ice.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 20 Sep 13 13:39
Yeah i noticed that thread vanished as well David.

Thin ice on the forum or thin ice in the real world David, which would you prefer?
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 20 Sep 13 13:44
LFC - I think AG sums it up well in his post;

"You believe the official version (sane) or you doubt the official version (insane)(conspiracy theorist)"

That's the top & bottom of it as far as I'm concerned...I have ears & eyes which I use to decipher the horseshít and a brain that's capable of making a decision for myself without being influenced by the general consensus.

I don't mind being tarred with the 'conspiracy theorist' tag or people sníggering at that because I do likewise concerning the gullible  'believers' - I must admit that nowadays my default is to question the official version of EVERYTHING...and so we SHOULD!
By:
Mcginty
When: 20 Sep 13 14:34
blackburn1:
I'm always amazed why the people like gabrial that have sussed it all out aren't running things themselves.



Therein lies the rub,if you suss it,

then you don't get to run anything,

because you don't 'toe the party line'.
By:
lfc1971
When: 20 Sep 13 15:22
Navel-Gazer-, of course we should question and be skeptical, nothing new, people have known that for at least
the last 2000 years.

But this does not override the need for intelligence and reason. There have been times of reason and enlightenment
and times of mass hysteria and insanity. This is the danger with conspiracy theorists. They are driven by often
dark emotions.
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