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9/11 was it a conspiracy?
9/11 was it a conspiracy?
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I'm not especially well-informed on the case, but I can conceive of how someone misguidedly believing themselves to be acting in the interest of the state would silence an apparent critic. I don't think it's likely. Similar to Diana's death. The press of course, have been all over this because they're not controlled by the state.
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Sunset
America in particular was gripped by terror after 9/11. I will keep it simple for you, after 9/11 THE WAR ON TERROR!! was announced by demon George Junior BUSH. This made the invasion of Iraq more plausible to convince the people, that Iraq had WOMD. Im sure if you will ever grasp this, but then again its not been on the BBC. Yes Aganistan is rich in natural resources, but obviously not the extent of Iraq. In summary the WAR ON TERROR made the Invasion of Iraq much easier, and any threat of WOMD from Iran will make that war much easier. Afganistan resourceshttp: //www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/oil-field-discovered-in-afghanistan-2053829.html |
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sorry ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/oil-field-discovered-in-afghanistan-2053829.html |
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By the way Sunset
Do you have any evidence that your wife IS NOT having an affair? If not, then surely she is!  |
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Gene Hackman Joined: 07 Feb 02
Replies: 1672 17 Aug 10 09:17 Slarty Sparky,Orioles and SC will tell you that it ISN'T evidence. What? Quick, before my head explodes, tell me why you support this film. |
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Do you have any evidence that your wife IS NOT having an affair?
Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or appeal to ignorance, is an informal logical fallacy; it asserts that a proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false (or vice versa). |
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Did you watch the Citizen Investigation Team's film, masher? I'd be interested in your views on it(and anyone else's).
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slartybartfast Joined: 10 Jul 04
Replies: 775 17 Aug 10 09:07 To those that believe the official version of what happened at the Pentagon on 911 this film may well challenge your view. It features numerous interviews with eye-witnesses, including policeman and members of the services, whose testimony is contrary to the official story. Of particular interest is the final interview, with taxi driver Lloyde England, who appears to admit that the damage to his taxi was mocked up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o This is the website of the people behind the film: http://citizeninvestigationteam.com Bravo Slarty at least you try and present evidence. Even though you are playing devils advocate |
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Masher
I have watched that film and it has to make you think doesn't it? Having said that,I'm sure it wont make you think at all. By the way,when you post your reply and tell me why you disagree with the film, make sure you state SPECIFICALLY which points you disagree with. I dont want a general rant,I want specific rebuttals/denials. |
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Sparky
You say that the press is not controlled by the state. Well,that's true in most cases,but not always. The D-Notice,which I'm sure you are aware of,can silence anything that the state wants to. Yes,I know that it's only a request and not legally enforceable,but the press owners know exactly on which side their bread's buttered,and wouldn't dare risk stepping out of line. |
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For an example of a story that seemed to have been belatedly D-noticed Google "Hookers, spies, cases full of dollars" - an every day tale of BP, M16, sex, oil and £45m of our taxes. I saw this story before it was removed from the Daily Mail website and disappeared from the mainstream media (despite its headline qualities) to be rescued only by the alternative online media.
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For another D-Notice job google Hollie Greig
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That reminds me,what was that story about Thomas Hamilton/Dunblane RE: some cover up?
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Yes,I know that it's only a request and not legally enforceable,but the press owners know exactly on which side their bread's buttered,and wouldn't dare risk stepping out of line.
The world is full of fiercely independent journalists, who are well known and well respeced, who would blow a scoop like this sky high with any thing approaching evidence. And the net is free for any of them. The closect you have is David Icke; not exactly John Sargeant |
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Sib
Of course there are some journalists as you describe,who are only too happy to sell papers with MP'S expenses scandals stories,but the 9/11 thing is another matter altogether. I have no doubt at all that there are many journalists who have serious doubts about 9/11 but have no evidence that they could go public with. As you say:David Icke....look at his coverage in the media. Another one to speak out:Michael Meacher MP....I've never once seen or heard of him since. In the USA:Charlie Sheen.....pinko liberal...traitor etc That's why not everyone will speak up. |
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Gene; the fact is they do not have the evidence because it doen't exist. If a crappy burglary like Watergate can't kept secret, it is risible to suggest something this prepostorous could. Enjoy your fantasy world where you are cleverer than everyone else; truth is, it didn't happen your way.
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Yes Gene the Hollie Greig case is a case involving Hollie who has Down`s Syndrome.
Claims from her that she was sexually abused by many figuers of authority in the Aberdeen region. Her father included who was part of a paedophile ring which had links to Thomas Hamilton who also had confirmed links with certain politicians. Robert Green the journalist who is trying to expose the case, has had a Gagging order imposed on him, so has the mainstream media in effect. Hollie was originally compensated £13,000 but then all investigations seemed to hit obsticles of non communication. The D Notice which Tony Blair imposed just at the time of the Iraq invasion, was to stop the FBI case, which was listing British politicians, whom it had records of downloading pornography, what pornography is the question. |
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I have watched that film and it has to make you think doesn't it?
Yes, it makes me think what a load of bollux. Having said that,I'm sure it wont make you think at all. Wrong. See above. By the way,when you post your reply and tell me why you disagree with the film, make sure you state SPECIFICALLY which points you disagree with. I dont want a general rant,I want specific rebuttals/denials. Now this is what caused my head to explode. You believe there was no plane and the witnesses were planted. Leaving aside its ludicrous conclusion, this film asserts there was a plane and does so using some of the very same witnesses you say were planted. The question is, why aren't YOU rebutting this film. |
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Main overwhelming give away point in that film is thetotal lack of damage to the floor/foundations as clearly evident in the photographs. A 757 manged to impact at ground level but not even scrape the floor? You Must be seriously retarded to accept that.
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Really what Sib says, the idea that ALL the free press fiercely critical of the Government would choose not run a true story about said Government murdering thousands of their own people seems entirely implausible to me.
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masher Joined: 26 May 03
Replies: 82 17 Aug 10 22:35 I have watched that film and it has to make you think doesn't it? Yes, it makes me think what a load of bollux. Thank you for watching the film but could you be more precise, Masher? Are you refuting the eye witness testimony? Do you think they are they all lying or is the official story wrong? Or is there another alternative? Also, what do you make of Mr England? |
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Link me a film to Miss England and might watch it.
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lol Sparky, have you watched any of the links yet?
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Not on this thread. But, as I've just realised this Inbetweeners is a megarepeat, recommend one and I'll have a look!
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Sparky JFK made a speach against the Secret societies, im afraid its a no go area for the press.
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AS Slarty's detained elsewhere, let's have the details then please!
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Angel, I know that speech and it has been taken out of context (either deliberately or out of naivety by those who edited it to change its meaning). Contrary to the popular claim, JFK was actually calling for greater media cooperation and discretion in concealing US government machinations in the face of Castro's Cuba. Furthermore, the insidious conspiracy he refers to was Communism. This is an instructive case of rumour being misused.
Here is the full text of the speech: http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm |
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lol so not THAT much of a no go area then!
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Thank you for watching the film but could you be more precise, Masher? Are you refuting the eye witness testimony?
There are witnesses who recall a flight that matches the official flight path. See what the saner elements of conspiracyland have to say about all this. http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/PentaCon http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/06/cit-stuff-is-disinfo-wake-up.html Do you think they are they all lying or is the official story wrong? No, they're not lying. They're remembering it all as best they can. Of course, the clowns who made this film consider that their memory in respect of the flight path is perfect, but when some of them say saw an airliner hit the Pentagon their memory is wrong. You couldn't make it up. Also, what do you make of Mr England? An old man, who reads David Icke, is badgered to confusion by a pair of clowns. Now with all the other things you have to do in this alleged plot, it goes without saying that you won't get away with it unless put a large section of lamppost through a taxi driver's windscreen. |
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Sparky JFK made a speach against the Secret societies, im afraid its a no go area for the press.
That speech was about Communism. Go to the Kennedy archive and listen to it in full. |
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masher, re: 00:08
see my last post(I suspect the forum delay threw you there) |
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Is this the speech you're on about Angel?
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Do you think they are they all lying or is the official story wrong?
Masher No, they're not lying. They're remembering it all as best they can. Of course, the clowns who made this film consider that their memory in respect of the flight path is perfect, but when some of them say saw an airliner hit the Pentagon their memory is wrong. You couldn't make it up. Not sure how many of the witnesses in the film said they saw it hit the Pentagon - most of them could not see the "crash" site due to the terrain and obstacles. However, I agree that several clearly believed they had seen the plane that caused the subsequent explosion. It's also pretty difficult to refute independently corroborating testimony such as that of the two policemen. Do you really think they mis-remembered where the plane flew and that they were actually facing 180 degrees the other way? It's possible but very hard to believe. |
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There!
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Slarty
Sparky,Orioles and SC will tell you that it ISN'T evidence. If any interviews,witnesses or any official report backs them up,then that IS evidence. Wrong again. See my last post to slarty. Sunset Can you please post your evidence that it takes very little skill to fly a large passenger jet at over 500mph through a city only 80ft above the ground. Evidence please. You can copy and paste if you like. You are begging the question. Prove that the plane was only 80ft above the the ground first? Secondly do you accept that the planes that hit the twin towers were low over New York. Who do you think was piloting them? |
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You're not sure re Kelly?
So you admit there's a chance that a prominent western government may have committed a dastardly act and tried to hoodwink the public then. Yes of course. I take every case on it's merits and form a view based on doing my own extensive research.I don't know enough about the incident to comment. |
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Sunset
America in particular was gripped by terror after 9/11. I will keep it simple for you, after 9/11 THE WAR ON TERROR!! was announced by demon George Junior BUSH. This made the invasion of Iraq more plausible to convince the people, that Iraq had WOMD. No your not making any sense at all.No reason why they couldn't have just invaded Iraq. The USA are the only super power now. Who is going too stop them invading Iraq? America invades any one they want too. Vietnam and Grenada to name two. Were they rich in natural resources? Did the American's plunder these country's? Im sure if you will ever grasp this, but then again its not been on the BBC. What are you trying to say , that the BBC is controlled by the NWO. Evidence please? Yes Aganistan is rich in natural resources, but obviously not the extent of Iraq. In summary the WAR ON TERROR made the Invasion of Iraq much easier, and any threat of WOMD from Iran will make that war much easier. Lot's have country's have oil. Would of made more sense to blame the Saudis. They have a lot more oil.Or why not invade Canada they are only second too the Saudis with oil reserves and it's not far to go. Afganistan resourceshttp: //www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/oil-field-discovered-in-afghanistan-2053829.html So the Americans have a Crystal ball now do they? They knew that 9 years after invading that they would discover oil. Your reasoning gets dafter.It's ironic that you now cite the media after you said they were controlled by the global elite. No evidence given of course for that assertion again. |
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By the way Sunset
Do you have any evidence that your wife IS NOT having an affair? If not, then surely she is! Yes because I'm not married. Can't you get anything right? |
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masher Joined: 26 May 03
Replies: 84 17 Aug 10 13:37 Do you have any evidence that your wife IS NOT having an affair? Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or appeal to ignorance, is an informal logical fallacy; it asserts that a proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false (or vice versa). They won't understand this masher is to technical for them. They don't even understand what the argument from silence is.Bob hope and no hope. |