My post on the  07 Aug 10. 18:43 for starters.

Sparky
I don't think there's any dispute about that claim.It is the official version.

It is on Wikipedia.

Dorman, Michael (April 17, 2006). "Unraveling 9–11 was in the bags". Newsday (New York). http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslugg274705186apr17,0,6096142.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print. Retrieved September 16, 2008



Seems Gene likes to cite wikipedia when it fits his theory and ignore when it doesn't.

Sunset
I've quoted Wiki only once,and that was just to point out the facts of the official version,which you accept.
Quoting those facts doesn't fit my theory,as you put it,it just provides facts that I choose to question.

Accuracy more important than officialness IMO.

As I said, no answers. Sunset you win the prize for being dumber than dumb. It really takes the biscuit when clowns come on here citing the 9/11 commission yet fail to know the answers of the most rudimentary questions. And yet they say I haven't done any research (if only you knew) or they ask me for sources which are freely available on the internet (Oh no, you all have the same material as me to base your judgements on, so I must be a nut).

I pity everyone of you that falls for this cr@p. Seriously. I'm sure some of you in your hearts know that Bin Laden never planned the attack in a cave. I'm sure some of you realise that 19 arabs weren't responsible for one of the biggest hoaxes since the moon landings. But you can't bring yourselves to open the can of worms, because it would destroy what faith you have left in humanity and the people that control you.

The ignorance of people on here (and i don't mean stupidity, because some dissenters are clearly not stupid people) is astonishing. Rather than ask themselves tough questions and investigate the hundreds of contradictions in the official narrative for themselves they choose to get ignore it and get on with their lives. "What I don't know can't hurt me" syndrome.

I've tried over the last few years to enlighten the few on here that may want to learn. I've posted unread links to no avail. You can't help those that don't want to be helped.

So, dear friends, I will depart and leave you to your own devices, quoting Wiki, NIST, Popular Mechanics and the 9/11 commission as reliable sources.

Before I go I shall remind you what convinced you of the event:

The fake footage on controlled TV: CBS, ABC, FOX, CNN MSNBC all show contradictary footage, miraculous zooms, impossible vistas.

The fake documentary by the mysterious Naudet brothers (the only "footage" of AA11 (the first strike) conveniently shot whilst looking for a gas leak.

The fake footage of Evan Fairbanks interviewed within hours of the attack with his silver bellied UA plane (should be dark blue) disappearing into the tower with no resistance offered by the South Tower. Think it's a real plane? In the original video shown extensively on Mainstream media, you can see the reflection of the plane landing inside the tower in the windscreen of a vehicle. Physically impossible. Windscreens CANNOT reflect objects behind them - check out your car and see for yourself.

The fake footage of Michael Hezakhani and it's differing soundtracks (or the identical still version by Carmen Taylor, who must have been sitting next to him on the imaginery boat. Sorry, the 9/11 commission has him at castle Clinton, which makes his video impossible, but hey, keep it to yourslef, they never have us the budget to investigate properly and in any case, Philip Zelikow, Bush's pal and  Condaleeza'a biographer took control of this, so stop asking awkward questions). His , (back to hezakhani) brilliant capture of a plane flying at an impossible speed of 550mph at sea level. the miraculous zoom as it melts into the south tower.

The brilliance of Luc Courchesne (the 3d virtual artist) who also happened to capture this speeding airline, despite the footage suggesting the plane never had wings. The identical photography and video of Tina cart, Wolfgang Stahle, Robert Clarke, Naudet & CBS who all, apperantly,stood in the same spot filming the same shot.

Evidence?
WTC - piece of landing gear - never officially identified (all plane parts have serial numbers which link them to an individual plane. Rubber intact (is it stronger than steel?). No damage in the road beside where it landed at 500mph + (Remember the tower offered no resistance). [;)]
Hijackers passport.
A selection of boarding cards.
Part of an engine (no damage to road)not identified, not smoking.
Pilots earphones. [smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]


Pentagon:
One piece of alleged wreckage with AA livery.
fake security footage.
lamp posts laid on the floor.
erm.

Shanksville:
Contrived 30 foot deep hole in which a 130 ton boeing disappeared. No luggage. No seats. No blood. No bodies. No plane.
However, they were able to find:
Terrorists driving licence.
Terrorists singed passport (well burnt in one corner with a lighter)
Terrorists pristine bandana.
I'm sure there must have been a koran, but I'll have to double check.

Airport:
Atta's bag with his koran, flight maps and last testament & will. Which is a little strange considering he was on a suicide mission and the bag was supposed to be with him on the plane.[:p]

Yes folks, you were had (as I was for 5 or so years)
Silverstein makes a killing in insurance of the buildings he has just signed a lucrative contract 2 months before Sept 11 with a "terrorist" clause and gets paid twice because his pals in the justice dept. determine that the two tower attacks were separate incidents. With the added bonus of getting the gig to rebuild ground zero and make even more money.
Financial institutions make billions by claiming on fake "deceased" employees.
Financial institutions make millions by selling stocks short on companies about to be hit by the attack.
Military get bigger budgets to fight imaginery enemy created by US intelligence.
NY port authority get rid of a decrepid, redundant office block with illegal asbestos levels all at the cost of the taxpayer.
Bush gets another term in office with his mates who get the contracts to rebuild Iraq, who despite not being involved in 9/11 have lots of oil.*
USA gets hit with new bills restricting freedom and civil liberties in the defence "against terrorism".



*For your reference and to get an understanding of how politics and the elite works, let me introduce you to L Paul Bremer. Bremer was CEO of one of the companies whose offices were in the direct line of the "attack", Marsh & McClennan. He is an ex- anti-terrorist ambassador and, post 9/11 was handed the task of reconstructing Iraq.

Not only did he manage to pass a law that meant US companies would be responsible for building, from memory, 50% of new infrastructure, under his watch 12 billion dollars went missing in fraudulent accounting and corruption. He left iraq rather suddenly after being accused of having an affair with his Iraqi interpreter and before the

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Paul_Bremer




Everyone's a winner. Well, nearly everyone.

clocky, have you watched "Who Killed John O'Neill?". It's good fun and highlights a lot of interesting connections.

I'm sure some of you realise that 19 arabs weren't responsible for one of the biggest hoaxes since the moon landings

And there, in a nutshell, we have it.

Says it all, does it not?

Clockwork do you really think there was no planes involved?

I know such unargued, thoughtless, malicious stuff can be upsetting for those who lost relatives in the attacks, but take heart in the fact that nobody of any political importance takes their views seriously.

Yes.

I used to think Clocky was just a bit of a twit, wrestling with his inadequacies. Now I think he's a danger to himself and others ... and not in the pretend James Bond way he imagines [smiley:crazy]

Clockwork I've seen a lot of crap on the betfair forum , but your post has to be the worst. If you really believe the video was faked then there is no hope for you.You are wasting my time. I'm really lost for words that some one could really post what you have posted and believe it.Beggars belief.You are [smiley:crazy]

Or await ANY evidence.

now that sounds like a conspiracy theory
multiple forum names? never.

I don't. I await any evidence of a conspiracy. If it arrives, then I'll look into it. Until then, I'm happy to believe what experts do, globally.

It was the Dukes it was the Dukes

Here is a link to a first hand account from a FEMA videographer who had unfettered access within the secure area around the WTCs on 911. *Believers in the official conspiracy theory be warned: your faith may be challenged by this article. 

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160666.html

The whole insulting thing doesn't really help masher; we are on an anonymous forum and most of us don't know each other personally.

If he actually believes there was no planes involved he will get insulted.