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as agents on £11,000 a year or 7.50 a hr.
What a waste of money and time going to university.
Some of these people have £25,000 to £30,000 debts
MY daughter is off to university in September, I'm now wondering if it's worth it.
More and more students going to university and less and less jobs out there for them.
Is it worth going to university?
What a waste of money and time going to university.
Some of these people have £25,000 to £30,000 debts
MY daughter is off to university in September, I'm now wondering if it's worth it.
More and more students going to university and less and less jobs out there for them.
Is it worth going to university?
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That's what happens if you go to a poly
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ofcourse it is. a degree lasts for a lifetime and many employers will only choose graduates.
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a degree proves that you have the incentive and focus to do something with your life. as you see these people are working in low paid jobs during hard times, instead of playing computer games on the dole. When the job market improves, they will stand a much better chance than someone without a degree or any work experience
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my daughters in the same boat ,just about to do degree in performing arts, :(
but it will be a grat experience for her and will hopefully equip her for life in many waays. secret is make sure they are multi skilled i have got my daughtet to do I.T and make up to give hervmore than one string to her bowp |
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seems a waste
too many go to uni in my opinion on "media studies" etc |
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70% of kids going to university are wasting there time and money.
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but they do know when to use "their" ;)
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As a lecturer I'd put it at nearer 95%. They arrive in such bad shape there's very little that can be done with them.
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Fck me, Zaubs. That's a mistake I've never made before. Trust you to spot it.
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Rob_S 27 May 17:33
That's what happens if you go to a poly what snobbish bu11shyte. My best mate went to brum to do chemical engineering but got nicked selling pills so dropped out. Then went to derby uni (bottom 10 of all uni's) to do sound engineering and now works in zurich as a computer programmer for an audio engineering firm on 100k swiss francs. My point is, a degree is only a tool to get in to an interview, once there its all about who you are and what skills you possess. Admittedly some jobs are out of reach for poly students like investment banking but on the whole it means nothing. |
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Inevitable consequence of making it easier to get into what passes for uni these days. Basic economics that the less scarce something is, in this case degrees, the less valuable it is.
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nestor 27 May 17:40
70% of kids going to university are wasting there time and money. on what basis have you chosen 70%? Having a degree means, on average, an income fo 10k above national average. That's worth 30k, imo. |
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no, all it means is that while in the past you would consider someone with a 2,2, nowdays you only consider a 2,1 and above
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when I graduated, only 5% of the population were finishing Uni. Even so the job market was damn tough in 1993, that most jobs were seeking people with a degree or at least 5 years experience
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evski 27 May 17:44
Rob_S 27 May 17:33 That's what happens if you go to a poly what snobbish bu11shyte. My best mate went to brum to do chemical engineering but got nicked selling pills so dropped out. Then went to derby uni (bottom 10 of all uni's) to do sound engineering and now works in zurich as a computer programmer for an audio engineering firm on 100k swiss francs. My point is, a degree is only a tool to get in to an interview, once there its all about who you are and what skills you possess. Admittedly some jobs are out of reach for poly students like investment banking but on the whole it means nothing. That made me laugh for someone arguing a point |
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Is something now only worth doing if it pays for itself financially? Isn't learning an end in itself?
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I think it is more of a case of proving that you can apply yourself, rather than learning
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5f sprinter, I suppose it was an unnecessary piece of info. I don't see how it detracts from my point, though?
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Many more people are choosing to go than in previous years, so yes it is a bit less 'special' than in previous years, but few top jobs will consider someone without a degree, and the life experience and opportunities are unrivalled. You live more in three years at uni than many do in a a lifetime.
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They should be pointed in the direction of a 'Betfair Education' if they possess the required intelligence .
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People 'choosing' to go is the problem. It shouldn't be a matter of choice but rather an achievement in itself reaching the required standards to gain a place.
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What university are they going to?
I'm starting at Manc Met in Sept :) |
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Sure it's a generalisation - but won't employers be making generalisations too when they do the first sift of the several hundred CVs that land on their desk? Or do you expect them to actually judge each person individually when they have so many applications for a few jobs - oh and besides all that have a business to run
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True, and the qualification fiddling to enable pretty much anyone to get in has created some truly rubbish degrees.
I mean, a BA in Social Work? How much training is required to not notice child abuse? |
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pervert
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that was to watson
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Problem is graduates starting jobs these days are fecking useless, I'd employ someone without a degree over someone with one every time.
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Rob_S 27 May 17:56
Sure it's a generalisation - but won't employers be making generalisations too when they do the first sift of the several hundred CVs that land on their desk? Or do you expect them to actually judge each person individually when they have so many applications for a few jobs - oh and besides all that have a business to run I know some firms simply throw applicants from poly students away, but even of those that do there is still opportunity for gifted students to get in. My bird did biomedical science at notts trent and her best mate is now working for astra zeneca after doing a PhD at Leicester. Just becasue some employers don't look at poly students doesn't make the degree worthless. Especially in subjects that require certain skill-sets. For the record I go to Uni of Nottingham. I'm also a snob. ;) |
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Not very nice thing to say zaubs imo :(
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evski I wasnt havin a pop or anything just made me chuckle when reading it
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Seasider. 27 May 17:59
Problem is graduates starting jobs these days are fecking useless, I'd employ someone without a degree over someone with one every time. Yeah, academic types aren't cut out to be window cleaners. :p |
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People with the right skills will always do ok. Skills is a broad brush
I've worked with someone who went to Cambridge. She had an awesome memory but didn't seem able to think anything through. Just a rote learner. Me? I can't remember things from one day to the next but sit me down with something and I'll calculate it/solve it for you no probs. But I also hate working with people. So there's pros and cons! :) |
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the point is that they have gone through at least 15 years of schooling, proving that they can be told what to do, plus have shown the ambition to complete a course. which in my eyes means that they are trainable |
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surely most of them work part time there when getting the degrees anyway.
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Magic Flea is correct ...has nothing to do with intelligence .
Who wants a bright workshy lay about ? |
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if you think the ones who have gone to uni are thick, you should see the ones that are on new deal the majority imo seem virtual unemployable
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look at the loons that make it to PM
cant be that hard to succeed |
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i don't think you learn much "life skills" at uni personally. when i went, i just got p.issed all the time, never went to lectures, just got the notes and crammed it all in in the few days before exams. Alright so i learnt how to cook and wash my own clothes and pay electricity bills and that. big deal.
What did I learn about life? fk all tbh. Learnt much more from working than I did as a student. You don't meet a particularly varied type of person at uni, because students, are all much of a muchness tbh. when you go to work you meet all sorts. |