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Gashwan- first of all, I do not recall ever meeting you, so I am certainly not your friend.
Second of all, with the NHS in the state it is in, with homeless on the streets of Londonistan, with pensioners not being able to pay fuel bills, with our brave army lads getting killed because the government wont spend on decent equipment, I am sure that any decent, right thinking individual would agree with me! |
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some people have no concern that 20,000 people in this country die from the cold each year.
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Exactly!
The voice of sense prevails! |
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Iwantyourmoney
there is plenty of aid out for the homeless and the pensioners. It is generally these people that choose through pride or drugs not to accept this aid |
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don't forget that these oldies are from a different generation and do not accept handouts. also they would rather spend £200 on their grandchildren than on heating for themselves
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Ok- what about the army.
They dont choose to die because money that should be spent on equipment is going to a country raped and pillaged by Baby and Papa Doc. Did you ever see the Alan Whicker tv documentary interviewing Papa Doc. He lived in a palace while his people starved. And no change since! |
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the amount that they are sending as aid to haiti is peanuts for the army
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Some may do but all it would take is real support and educate these people to use the heating.
They have paid their taxes into the system. They have a right to not be concerned about the cold and the cost. :( :( |
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Aid should never be given by our government when they sent the army out to fight without proper equipment.
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pensioners are thickheaded. My dad sent money every month to my gran. when she died we found it all stasted away. she didn't use a penny.
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the annual cost of conflict is over £4.5 Billion. do yu think a few million would make a difference?
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i dont think it ids about helping your won ,its about helping those who cant help yourself.
too many old folk in this country who are 'freezing ' to death are just too mean to put the heating up because they want to hoard their money . |
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your own *
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You seem to be saying that there's no need to give pensioners money because they won't use it.
Slicer is saying don't send the money to Haiti because it is corrupt and the people won't even see it! Solution......................giz it here :D |
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You all wait till you become pensioners!
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Brodie has a good point... :)
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I agree in part but this country is back to front.
The able are educated and in part encouraged to take every benefit going but the old are sent out cheques and that is it. People should be knocking on the doors and reassuring them that they are not getting anything that they have not already earned. :) :) |
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the other point is that government aid money is not a freebie. It is usually a loan that countries can never pay off.
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look what the yanks did to europe with their loans after the 2nd world war
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The Magic Flea 14 Jan 18:00
the other point is that government aid money is not a freebie. It is usually a loan that countries can never pay off. African debt is written off every year by everybody who sends it. |
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Surely the pensioners should have more money than most, after all they have had many years to salt away some of their money.
Many of the ones receiving a free TV licence or the £400 hand out do not have the remotest need of it. A truly pathetic policy. |
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I see that the aid is NOT getting through in one of the most corrupt countrys in the world!
I wonder why? |
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give it a rest ffs
fishing when thousands are dead and suffering is pretty sick |
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Is that your way of saying that the aid that you and others of your opinion think should be sent at the expense of our troops and our pensioners and our NHS IS actually getting through then?
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Help your own is what I say.
Humans? |
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Britains in need!
The Haitian dictators such as Papa Doc who controlled the most vicious private police in the world the Ton Ton Macoute (and I should know) do not qualify as human. |
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they should be helped at the expense of pretty much everyone to be perfectly honest
unless you see people over here suffering to that extent we're all humans at the end of the day and you are selfish |
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I see, Slicer. So in the same way you don't consider Germans (Hitler), Russians (Stalin), Vietnamese (Pol Pot), Chileans (Pinochet), Iraqis (Saddam), Iranians (Khomeini), Spaniards (Franco) etc to be human?
An interesting view. |
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Slicer, you used to be a fun, reasonable and light-hearted poster. Of late, you just seem bitter. What happened?
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I think you will find that all the countries mentioned, except Iran, overcame their despots eventually with or without outside help.
The Haitians dont even help themselves! I am not saying the Haitians deserve what has happened to them I AM saying that when there is poverty in the UK, when pensioners are dying cos they cant pay their fuel bill, when our brave army lads are dying because of poor equipmewnt, when cancer sufferers are dying because drugs that can save their lives cost the government too much, I know where I would like the money to go. I hope this clarifies my position. |
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Papa Doc died in 1971. Baby Doc was ousted in 1986.
Still, let's NOT send any aid to the country they once ruled, that'll teach 'em. |
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Bitter- me- I am better off than I have ever been! I am just putting a point of view.
And I used to be fun? 2 days ago after a posting on another thread I received the award by Wur of possibly the most amusing posting ever seen on Chit Chat! I hope this reassures you! |
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vile then?
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I think you will find that all the countries mentioned, except Iran, overcame their despots eventually with or without outside help.
Stalin died, Hitler topped himself, Franco died, Saddam executed after a foreign invasion. Your knowledge is appalling, which kind of invalidates your opinion in my eyes. The day when no-one dies in this country through poverty will NEVER happen. That kind of claptrap about 'looking after your own' is code for 'they're foreign, tough luck'. |
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Haiti the poorest country in the Western World.
[/b[b] erm.. Am I alone in thinking Haiti was in the East? |
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You are entitled to your opinions. Call me vile if you like. But if any one of you ever gets cancer ( and I sincerely hope you dont) and the government says they cant afford the drugs that will save your life, I am sure you will die happy knowing that some corrupt official in Haiti received the money that could have paid for the drug!
I see cancer sufferers day in day out. It is heartbreaking seeing their families and their children suffer too. |
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Sounds like a Hait Campaign if you ask me
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Curry- you are alone in thinking that- LOOK AT A MAP!
Alex- ;) |
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Guys, discussions like these are always difficult because of the personal emotional experience we use as reference.
If I had a sum of money to divide amongst the poor and/ suffering of the world then of course I would be confronted with many of the questions raised already, I remember the back slapping that went on after Band Aid, (which incidentally) did no harm to "St Bob' and Bono tw@ts careers) and look back now to find over 8 million people in Ethiopia starving now against the original 4 million, hardly surprising when the Ethopian communist government charged Aid agencies £25 per ton levy on every ton of aid unloaded at their docks!!!. Slicers concerns about helping corrupt regimes have historical validity, and I don't just mean the Ethiopian example. So if I had a sum to donate, my cynicism would direct me to take the A&E approach and help those in dire situations first because I cannot see a better way, Whilst trying to reach a consensus on a better way to to overcome the corrupt/ incestuous, flawed conventions currently in use. But can't see a better way any day soon Someone posted that the £6million promised by the government is a few million less than one individual (Banker) received in bonus for destroying his firm only to be bailed out with taxpayers money!!!, including the cost of his bonus!! . How is that for perspective!. When you "cross reference" how much /where, and when "Crisis money is allocated by the government, you find yourself in a quagmire of lies and deceit/vested interest hidden under the smug carapace charity. I find it totally depressing. I hope and believe Obama's need to clean up Americas tattered image means that real and immediate help will arrive. |
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I have not hearda peep from St Bob or Boniooo tw@t abouy this
NAIROBI, Kenya, July 21 |