Britain is sending foreign aid to Hait yet it allows pensioners

Hait is NOT a good cause!

They do not help themselves.
Their rulers stash the cash.
Totally corrupt.
The UK pensioners are more deserving as ar the UK cancer sufferers!

Thats 4 reasons to get started with.

I have NO asian background- that is a deliberate slur from my jealous opponents to whom I would not divulge the Holy Grail.
Living for part of the year in Mumbai does not give me an Asian background!

I hope this clarifies the matter.

I think not wanting to send aid to the 10's of 1000's of oppressed victims of an earthquake because their previous dictators were thieves is a bit harsh.

I'm dumbfounded, gobsmacked and dumbfounded by your attitude.

I think ordinary decent people are sick and tired of being told that ordinary decent people are sick and tired of certain things. I'm certainly not - and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.

Studyform has a good point. If we waste money on saving foreigners from natural disasters, we won't have any left for bombs to kill pensioners.

This is an opportunity for the US particularly, but us as well, to restore a bit of faith in our countries abroad. It serves us well to offer help. In any event, it is plainly the right thing to do. And if you know the same pensioners I do, they will be the first donating to relief charities.

wow never knew slicer was actually this vile

amazing scenes

oh he's fishing!

Now now Canary- would I, Dr Aristotle Slicer, Consultant in Almost Anything go fishing on a BetFair Forum?

yes

I vote for Slicer for two reasons

1 it make sense

2 it irks Canaryboy

Persuaded, on second ground only.

fishermen do not irk me lol

seethe away :^0

direct the money to the pensioners that really need it - not just all, irrespective of whether they need it and may vote for you - and slicer nearly has a point........

spend money on gritting roads - not earthquate victims

if we send aid - have they got any spare salt?

next you will be telling me we give 100 of millions to India who has nukes and a space program

:0 :0

What about killing 3 birds with 1 stone and sending pensioners to Haiti in return for some grit for the roads?

I have had masses of e mail suppotr for my candidacy t since starting this thread.
Thank you all very much and I shall now consider whether to actually stand as an MP and which consituency.

I think my views will be best supported in plaices like Luton and Wootton Bassett. So they may go on my short list. Which consituency has most BetFairian forumites?

Thanks again.

I'm not sure, but wherever it is it's probably twinned with 1939 Berlin.

uk is matching the aid payment of the un



hmmmmmmmmmmm

slicer is fishing nap

look at Port au prince in google earth. Certainly the grimmest looking place i found. desperate.

HRH The Lager Khan 14 Jan 12:53
What about killing 3 birds with 1 stone and sending pensioners to Haiti in return for some grit for the roads?
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Why not wait for the pensioners to die and use their ashes to grit the roads ?

Haiti was a pretty rubbish place to live before this "Earthquake". How can we be certain it didn't look like that already? How come the Dominican Republic is fine?

I love the empathy. Let's whine about sending 0.000000001% of what we spend a year killing people in their own country.

How come the Dominican Republic is fine?

oh christ, this phorum gets stupider by the day

Ken Masters- is that Berlin North or Berlin South?

Slicer 14 Jan 11:27
in the UK to freeze to death because they are frightened that the heating bills will be too high.
Also allows people in the UK to die from cancer because the cost of the drugs is too hig- very NICE!

Isn't it about time the Uk government spent the taxpayers money on UK residents!

Papa Doc and Baby Doc made off with plenty of dosh leaving the Haiti the poorest country in the Western World.

Help your own is what I say.

I am considering standing at the General Election on the platform of no foreign aid, and money for the UK only.

I hope I can count on the support of all forumites.

Dr Aristotle Slicer PhD MB BS B Pharm MRCVS DRCOG Cert BHD
Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for the Slicing Party

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BRAINDEAD, IGNORANT,** ALERT!!!

Magic Flea, at the risk of sounding stupid, I am a little surprised there wasn't more of an effect in the Dominican republic, its not a big island. I know its infrastructure is far superior, but I didn't realise the effects were so localised.

Gashwan- if you are brain dead and ignorant, as you admit to be and alerting us to the fact, I would rather do without your vote.
Please do not be offended and thank you for your interest anyway.

sibaroni

it was a shallow earthquake, hence the localised destruction

can't we just send the pensioners to haiti?

Slicer 14 Jan 17:15
Gashwan- if you are brain dead and ignorant, as you admit to be and alerting us to the fact, I would rather do without your vote.
Please do not be offended and thank you for your interest anyway.

your attitude is nothing short of appaling my friend.

GASHWAN

No his attitude is good and correct

HTH

;) ;)

Gashwan- first of all, I do not recall ever meeting you, so I am certainly not your friend.
Second of all, with the NHS in the state it is in, with homeless on the streets of Londonistan, with pensioners not being able to pay fuel bills, with our brave army lads getting killed because the government wont spend on decent equipment, I am sure that any decent, right thinking individual would agree with me!

some people have no concern that 20,000 people in this country die from the cold each year.

:( :(

Exactly!
The voice of sense prevails!

Iwantyourmoney

there is plenty of aid out for the homeless and the pensioners. It is generally these people that choose through pride or drugs not to accept this aid

don't forget that these oldies are from a different generation and do not accept handouts. also they would rather spend £200 on their grandchildren than on heating for themselves

Ok- what about the army.
They dont choose to die because money that should be spent on equipment is going to a country raped and pillaged by Baby and Papa Doc.

Did you ever see the Alan Whicker tv documentary interviewing Papa Doc.
He lived in a palace while his people starved. And no change since!

the amount that they are sending as aid to haiti is peanuts for the army

Some may do but all it would take is real support and educate these people to use the heating.

They have paid their taxes into the system.

They have a right to not be concerned about the cold and the cost.

:( :(

Aid should never be given by our government when they sent the army out to fight without proper equipment.

:( :(

pensioners are thickheaded. My dad sent money every month to my gran. when she died we found it all stasted away. she didn't use a penny.

the annual cost of conflict is over £4.5 Billion. do yu think a few million would make a difference?

i dont think it ids about helping your won ,its about helping those who cant help yourself.

too many old folk in this country who are 'freezing ' to death are just too mean to put the heating up because they want to hoard their money .

your own *

You seem to be saying that there's no need to give pensioners money because they won't use it.
Slicer is saying don't send the money to Haiti because it is corrupt and the people won't even see it!
Solution......................giz it here :D

You all wait till you become pensioners!

Brodie has a good point... :)

I agree in part but this country is back to front.

The able are educated and in part encouraged to take every benefit going but the old are sent out cheques and that is it.

People should be knocking on the doors and reassuring them that they are not getting anything that they have not already earned.

:) :)

the other point is that government aid money is not a freebie. It is usually a loan that countries can never pay off.

look what the yanks did to europe with their loans after the 2nd world war

The Magic Flea 14 Jan 18:00


the other point is that government aid money is not a freebie. It is usually a loan that countries can never pay off.

African debt is written off every year by everybody who sends it.

Surely the pensioners should have more money than most, after all they have had many years to salt away some of their money.

Many of the ones receiving a free TV licence or the £400 hand out do not have the remotest need of it. A truly pathetic policy.

I see that the aid is NOT getting through in one of the most corrupt countrys in the world!
I wonder why?

give it a rest ffs

fishing when thousands are dead and suffering is pretty sick

Is that your way of saying that the aid that you and others of your opinion think should be sent at the expense of our troops and our pensioners and our NHS IS actually getting through then?

Help your own is what I say.

Humans?

Britains in need!
The Haitian dictators such as Papa Doc who controlled the most vicious private police in the world the Ton Ton Macoute (and I should know) do not qualify as human.

they should be helped at the expense of pretty much everyone to be perfectly honest

unless you see people over here suffering to that extent

we're all humans at the end of the day

and you are selfish

I see, Slicer. So in the same way you don't consider Germans (Hitler), Russians (Stalin), Vietnamese (Pol Pot), Chileans (Pinochet), Iraqis (Saddam), Iranians (Khomeini), Spaniards (Franco) etc to be human?

An interesting view.

Slicer, you used to be a fun, reasonable and light-hearted poster. Of late, you just seem bitter. What happened?

I think you will find that all the countries mentioned, except Iran, overcame their despots eventually with or without outside help.

The Haitians dont even help themselves!

I am not saying the Haitians deserve what has happened to them I AM saying that when there is poverty in the UK, when pensioners are dying cos they cant pay their fuel bill, when our brave army lads are dying because of poor equipmewnt, when cancer sufferers are dying because drugs that can save their lives cost the government too much, I know where I would like the money to go.

I hope this clarifies my position.

Papa Doc died in 1971. Baby Doc was ousted in 1986.

Still, let's NOT send any aid to the country they once ruled, that'll teach 'em.

Bitter- me- I am better off than I have ever been! I am just putting a point of view.
And I used to be fun? 2 days ago after a posting on another thread I received the award by Wur of possibly the most amusing posting ever seen on Chit Chat!

I hope this reassures you!

vile then?

I think you will find that all the countries mentioned, except Iran, overcame their despots eventually with or without outside help.

Stalin died, Hitler topped himself, Franco died, Saddam executed after a foreign invasion.

Your knowledge is appalling, which kind of invalidates your opinion in my eyes. The day when no-one dies in this country through poverty will NEVER happen. That kind of claptrap about 'looking after your own' is code for 'they're foreign, tough luck'.

Haiti the poorest country in the Western World.
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erm.. Am I alone in thinking Haiti was in the East?

You are entitled to your opinions. Call me vile if you like. But if any one of you ever gets cancer ( and I sincerely hope you dont) and the government says they cant afford the drugs that will save your life, I am sure you will die happy knowing that some corrupt official in Haiti received the money that could have paid for the drug!

I see cancer sufferers day in day out. It is heartbreaking seeing their families and their children suffer too.

Sounds like a Hait Campaign if you ask me

Curry- you are alone in thinking that- LOOK AT A MAP!
Alex- ;)

Guys, discussions like these are always difficult because of the personal emotional experience we use as reference.

If I had a sum of money to divide amongst the poor and/ suffering of the world then of course I would be confronted with many of the questions raised already, I remember the back slapping that went on after Band Aid, (which incidentally) did no harm to "St Bob' and Bono tw@ts careers) and look back now to find over 8 million people in Ethiopia starving now against the original 4 million, hardly surprising when the Ethopian communist government charged Aid agencies £25 per ton levy on every ton of aid unloaded at their docks!!!.

Slicers concerns about helping corrupt regimes have historical validity, and I don't just mean the Ethiopian example.

So if I had a sum to donate, my cynicism would direct me to take the A&E approach and help those in dire situations first because I cannot see a better way, Whilst trying to reach a consensus on a better way to to overcome the corrupt/ incestuous, flawed conventions currently in use. But can't see a better way any day soon

Someone posted that the £6million promised by the government is a few million less than one individual (Banker) received in bonus for destroying his firm only to be bailed out with taxpayers money!!!, including the cost of his bonus!! . How is that for perspective!.

When you "cross reference" how much /where, and when "Crisis money is allocated by the government, you find yourself in a quagmire of lies and deceit/vested interest hidden under the smug carapace charity.

I find it totally depressing. I hope and believe Obama's need to clean up Americas tattered image means that real and immediate help will arrive.

I have not hearda peep from St Bob or Boniooo tw@t abouy this

NAIROBI, Kenya, July 21

Vietnamese (Pol Pot

From when was Pol Pot Vietnamese lol?

Have they got WMD's that they can activate in 45 minutes?

James, he may have gone on a day trip to Danang (thus qualifying under the "Jackie Charlton" criteria

Why don´t people ask the real question which is: why is it that pensioners can freeze to death while underperforming bankers can get paid multi-million pound bonuses out of public money given to the banks, supposedly to recue them from crashing????

THAT is the real scandal, not giving aid to people dying in a third world country.

Get your feckin priorities right!

sorry boxingthefox, just seen your post.

Pol Pot was of course Cambodian.

My apologies.

TiptheOdds, no probs mate you are spot on.

we are stint,where do they find the money from?

What I want to know is why the government spends money on anything other than old people, clildren and cancer sufferers. Everyone else can sacrifice to make their live just a little better it would be worth it.
we need to get out priorities right, cos back when I were a lad it was all fields round here, and you could leave your door unlocked at night.


I hope nobody think that I'm spouting imotive drivel

I cannot understand your stance here, slicer.
Is there only one load of money, with a choice as to where it goes?

instead of diverting socially needed money (healthcare, pensions etc) and sending this to where it is DESPERATELY needed, why not divert other (war fund, bankers, MP's, Judges, wealth of the greedy) and send that?

While you're sorting the wrongs of the world!

STUDYFORM, quite right, the question is badly framed, knowing Slicer I think it was deliberate and he was being provocative, but the unfolding horror left him having to defend himself.

I could of course be way off beam, just like my betting,lol.

Judging by the number of these kind of posts on here it shows how successful the media/Govt campaign of brainwashing the masses over decades has been.

Instead of people in the UK/US questioning how it is that in a wealthy country the rich are allowed to get away with so much money, while the poor and vulnerable are denied even the basics needed to live, people ask dumb questions scapegoating other poor and vulnerable people, whether they are third world countries, immigrants, unemployed or whoever.

Time people in the west woke up...

Quite right.

Anyone starting a thread querying why Murdoch and his corporations avoid so much tax is labelled a leftie loon by the same people who want all foreign aid stopped, because WE can't afford it.

Why can't we afford it?

TiptheOdds, I really believe that we must be near the top of the "worst served by the media", countries in Europe.

Sorry about the grammar.

I had the misfortune of leafing through the Startoday as someone left it on the tube. God help us if people genuinely buy that trash.

baracouda30, Philip (I live in Monaco) Green is someone I would like to SITF. Just hate him and ilk.

him and ilk.** him and his ilk.

Tip, whilst i agree with your view on third world poverty, i think that the definition in the vast majority of cases in this country bears no resemblance to the word. Anyway most of the family silver has been sold off here and as a result, future generations may not have it so easy.

sorry Zil, I´m not sure what you´re saying...

I wasn´t likening in any way poverty in the UK/west with the kind of absolute poverty that exists in the third world. Like slicer I agree that the British Government has a primary obligation to look after all the people living in this country, where we disagree is from where the money should be found. I also think that the rich countries of the west - and don´t forget that the UK is still the 6th richest country on the planet - should help the third world, and this happens already through a specific budget and doesn´t come from the welfare provision.

I can sympathise with the poor people of Haiti are feeling, the last time i had ten aftershocks i couldn't find my house either.

Sorry Tip, i wasn't disagreeing about world aid, more about the way that poverty is used as a word when talking about this country where imo its very rare. In fact most of the so called poor people i see over here seem to be quite rotund.

As we seemed to be sorting out other countries corrupt governments before Haiti, when will we find time to get rid of Mugabe ?

I agree to an extent zil, but just because average living standards have improved doesn´t mean that there aren´t still many people living in relative poverty, with limited means to keep their flats heated, or buy the food, clothes or other essentials they need.

Its usually not the ones we see every day that need help, its the ones we don´t see. The old and frail, and those too proud to ask for help; the mentally ill; the ones with little education who don´t know their way round the benefits system; or immigrants and refugees with little support. Or for that matter the working poor.

In many cases the working poor would be better off not working, in the long run that cannot be good. But successive governments have changed the definition of unemployed so often that its probably only people between the ages of 35-30 who are now counted as such!!!

i actually wouldnt want to be young now