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By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 13:13
vv, exactly, the mines were empty.

But dont let that get in the way of any Maggie bashing opportunity. If there was coal down there Branson would be mining like mad. And before anybody gets into tory name calling mode, a lot of my family still live in a mining village.
By:
orioles
When: 05 Jan 10 13:18
the mines were empty :^0

Magic!

This thread, at the very least, stands as a searing indictment of the education system under Thatcher.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:20
buying coal from Poland cost the country a fortune......
a, because any profit to be made left the country.
b, because of the cost to the state of keeping all the ex-miners and their families
c, because of the cost to the state of the loss of all the business revenue from all the businesses which relied on coal mines, and the towns which had mines.

These things which were done to us 25 years ago are costing us dear now.
In much the same way that Beechings axe (another Tory masterpiece) impacted on the transport infrastructure 15-20 years after it's inception.
By:
Ivor
When: 05 Jan 10 13:21
Maggie lead the way in reducing our greenhouse gas emmisions - well did Maggie!
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:21
privatisation didn't improve BT. Computerisation did.
Plus the "6 months to get a phone line" is BS.
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 13:27
Hey orioles you seem to know all about mining, why didn't somebody buy them if there was/is so much coal down there?

study, I've been down this road with you before, you are so intoxicated with hate for Mrs Thatcher you cant think straight.

It would seem that, according to you two, the mines were literally bursting with good quality, easily accessible cheap coal, but Mrs T simply wanted to ruin millions of people's lives.
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 05 Jan 10 13:29
3 words - NORTH SEA OIL
By:
Hoss
When: 05 Jan 10 13:34
It wasn't just the miners' union, she broke the printers, the dockers, the rail workers, the shipyards and many others in the good old days when Britain made things.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:35
BB, on the verge of personal attacks again?

I think perfectly straight, thanks.
She is an evil cow, with a nasty family, who bled this country dry for her own ends. No matter what it took. This includes wars, taking personal liberties from millions, cosying up to unsavoury regimes, selling arms for personal gain, selling industry off for personal gain.
By:
Scifo
When: 05 Jan 10 13:37
Blackburn,
Some of the mines where sustainable, not all though. There are a handful still going today.
Mrs Thatcher decided to break the back of all the mines, this could be argued was because of the strength of the unions under Scargill she decided had to be addressed. There may have been better ways to do it.
Like most manufacturing and primary sectors in the UK, it eventually was difficult to compete with cheaper countries elsewhere.

Mrs Thatcher made a number of people lives and the bottom line of the Country better, however in the process she did destroy areas and families of the UK for generations
By:
Scifo
When: 05 Jan 10 13:38
that is terrible spelling by myself
By:
The Bosun
When: 05 Jan 10 13:40
best pm since winnie.end of
never heard so much bullsht talked
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:42
open to information then are you?
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 05 Jan 10 13:42
maggie dragged the country into 'the modern world' i.e. free-market capitalism/consumerism and the break-up of working communities to form a sort of every-man-for-himself society (if that's not an oxymoron!). you could argue it was economically beneficial but at what social cost?
By:
very-valuable
When: 05 Jan 10 13:43
oh dear me study has got it bad today and as for his memory that seems to be clouding him to.You may be right about the phone lines study it could have been 5 months not six. but hey whats a month between friends.
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 05 Jan 10 13:44
there are a lot of financially rich people in britain with very empty unfulfilled lives
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:45
This is turning into the sort of stuff usually seen on the politics forum, and for that reason, only,
I'm out.
By:
very-valuable
When: 05 Jan 10 13:47
can you imagine the state of the country now had she not taken the bull by the horns.We were the laughing stock then because Labour had bankrupt the country. oh wait a mo i think i can see history repeating its self and the poor old tories will have to come in and sort it all out and take the blame yet again
By:
RockMonkey
When: 05 Jan 10 13:50
In the face of some Olympic class oppositon over the years 'the mines were empty' line has got to be the undisputed gold medal winner of stupidest remark ever seen on the forum.
By:
The Bosun
When: 05 Jan 10 13:51
i do not need information from a loony left bigot like you studyform.her excellent record in all areas is in the history books.anyone with an ounce of common knows maggie was a wonderful pm.fantastic woman
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:53
You need it from somewhere bosun, because you are misguided, and wrong. On just about every level.
By:
very-valuable
When: 05 Jan 10 13:53
Rock the coal quality was **e and more expensive to mine than its worth. like it has been said before if there was money in the mines Branson would have been down ther himself by now.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Jan 10 13:56
It was politically expedient to shatter the mining industry. The social, economic and everlasting costs of this far outweighed any benefits.
By:
The Bosun
When: 05 Jan 10 13:56
the mines were hopelessly uneconomic and scargill was a communist lunatic.maggie did tyhe necessary.
By:
orioles
When: 05 Jan 10 13:57
You mean British Coal wasn't privatised and there are no privately owned deep, or opencast mines in the UK?

There is coal, but it is a question of price competitiveness, a lack of a skilled workforce and the enormous capital investment required to reopen pits that only need to be unsupported for a short time before they become unworkable.

The decision to dismantle the mining industry was a complex one in so far as it was not merely an economic one; it had strong political overtones and had a number of socio-economic effects that still resonate today. This was one of the plan's most serious failings imo, but that too, is a political point.

It was not, however, because 'the mines were empty' and as the commodity price increased, the plans to reopen some mines have revealed just how structurally damaging the decision to reduce the industry has been.
By:
very-valuable
When: 05 Jan 10 13:59
The **s should think themselves lucky that they have nice cosy jobs in call centres. Think of the advatages nice and warm in winter,no need to take a bath after work and no nasty lung disease. They have never had it so good
By:
Scifo
When: 05 Jan 10 14:01
very-valuable. You are a genius
By:
Tevez is God
When: 05 Jan 10 14:09
very-valuable 05 Jan 15:53

Rock the coal quality was ***** and more expensive to mine than its worth.

ah, so that's why she drafted in thugs from the met to ensure that the picket lines could be broken... just so they could keep producing loss-making coal. That sounds like tory logic.
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:14
It was not, however, because 'the mines were empty'

Why was it then?

Studyform saw some argy bargy on the 6 o'clock news and his caveman instincts shot to the surface. Study, and bearing in mind the closest you've been to a mine is probably Doncaster races, the vast majority of miners were delighted to get out of the filthy pits with their redundancy. Of course they won't admit that in public, but its true none the less.
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:16
Yeah those evil strike breakers (scabs to the mob) who had their windows and cars smashed up because they were trying to provide for their families.
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:21
Being brought up in an environment of miners its so easy to adopt the evil Maggie, scab, community wrecker popular stance.

Well dry your eyes darlings, most of the miners knew it was the best thing that could have happened to them, albeit the year or so without pay was a high price to pay, but they know that Scargill was to blame for that.
By:
BurtSaddo.
When: 05 Jan 10 14:25
old bag
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 05 Jan 10 14:26
"the mines were empty" ffs, what a clown!
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:29
Oooh good shluck's here with his usual line of non-commital satire. I'm sure he's about to show us that every pit was bursting with good quality coal that could be mined at a fraction of the price we could import the low grade stuff we really needed.

After all the last thing we need is a profitable industry employing tens of thousands of men.

Khunt
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 05 Jan 10 14:32
You need to seek help, sir. You spend your life on the politics forum and you know literally nothing.
By:
overboard
When: 05 Jan 10 14:33
As Bosum said earlier, the best since Churchill. Maggie best PM in my adult life and I doubt very much this will change in the future.
Smashed the left into the long grass from which they have never, and can never, return. Hence Nu-Labour--- poor man's Tories.
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:34
Enlighten me then shluck. Come on, I appreciate you're very insecure and wont want to express an opinion for fear of being exposed, but I'm keen to know for example, how much coal was in the pits.

I'm all ears.
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 05 Jan 10 14:35
you_never_know 13 Jul 23:32
Social protection £169 bn (benefits, pensions)
Health £111 bn
Education £82 bn
Public order £33 bn
Defence £33 bn
Debt interest £31 bn
Industry, agriculture, unemployment £22 bn
Transport £21bn

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/09/12/13.09.08.Public.spending.pdf for more details.

with MP's expenses under investigation, why has the mod not come under such investigation? £5M aprox per year including huge sums for dining.



subversion 14 Jul 03:11
keep an eye on that debt interest figure too, its gonna get ugly



blackburn 14 Jul 06:36
If those figures are typical we're paying almost £400bn a year in interest.

What a great chancellor Brown was



Occam's Razor 14 Jul 08:11
blackburn, I hate to disappoint you, but these are annual figures.
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 05 Jan 10 14:36
ROFL
By:
blackburn1
When: 05 Jan 10 14:44
Fair play, having that saved in favourites for 6 months is hardly normal behaviour though - would you like my autograph as well?

Still no opinion on anything shluck? What was it Maggie's husband said about you:

Better to say nothing and let people think you're stupid rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt
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