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By:
lmfao
When: 09 Dec 09 23:22
i pay taxes- i dont want my money spent on convicted felons- simple.

Prisons

If we cant hang em and its £50k to keep each one p.a. - lets export the problem- I reckon plenty of African prisons / countries would welcome sponsored prisoners at a fraction of the cost.

The pc softy approach makes me sick:

Currently prisioners even have the right to vote ffs- this because the previous system of disenfranchising them as part of their punishment was deemed to infringe their human rights. Bless em.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Dec 09 23:24
ES

if the current system of being soft works so well- why are there more criminals year on year???

Hang them.
By:
Big Charlie
When: 09 Dec 09 23:25
You can smoke in prison :)
By:
tobermory
When: 09 Dec 09 23:35
That is the main point which they will never answer Dobbo.

Put 100 Burglars on a non custodial scheme for 6 months and maybe 35 of them will be reformed , but the other 65 will carry on burgling, probably robbing hundreds of houses during that period.

Put them all in jail and they will commit 0 burglaries in 6 months . And who is to say that the those 'reformed' were actually just relieved to have avoided jail , and thankful to have another chance?

Another point is that those that go to prison are usually going there for their 6th or 7th crime rather than their 1st (the first few having been 'punished' by precisely the sort of schemes lauded by the left) . So prison mostly only used for those for whom rehabilitation has been tried and failed.
By:
Dobbo
When: 09 Dec 09 23:41
Unlike some of the nutters on here I don't relish the idea of punishment but the solution seems fairly simple.The schemes dont work.Locking people up does. It may not rehabilitate them but it sure as hell stops them.
By:
Edward Scissorhands
When: 09 Dec 09 23:42
ok so we`ll introduce legislation to ensure that every crime carries a mandatory life sentence ?

lol
By:
Dobbo
When: 09 Dec 09 23:44
Dont be ridiculous. But a custodial sentence for a first offence GBH or affray might help
By:
Edward Scissorhands
When: 09 Dec 09 23:55
erm even though if you`d read my previous post you`d have seen that re-offending rates are higher amongst those given a custodial sentence ?

i like your logic dobbo ... off to bed now
By:
tobermory
When: 09 Dec 09 23:56
No one has said that Edward

As things are though, someone who starts commiting muggings, burglaries, acts of pointless violence aged 15 or so , and continues to do so whenever at liberty to,up til he is over 25 (when most criminals seem to become less prolific anyway) , will probably be on the streets for 80% of that time , despite regular convictions ,because of comunity service ,early release etc . If he was jailed for every one of those offences, and served the whole of it, he would more likely only be on the streets for 15% of that time, so would have far less oppurtunity (and maybe he would decide the risk/reward ratio was not worthwhile anymore).
By:
tobermory
When: 09 Dec 09 23:58
Edward ignoring the points re those who are not rehabiltated but left at liberty while a futile attempt is made to reform them.

The logic of your argument is thaere should be no prisons at all.
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:01
a load of old**
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:01
c o c k
By:
Dobbo
When: 10 Dec 09 00:01
Fck re-offending rates.You dont offend from a prison cell
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:02
or a coffin
By:
Charles1980
When: 10 Dec 09 00:05
castrate them all please
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:06
and blind them
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:07
then vaporise them . JOB DONE.
By:
Charles1980
When: 10 Dec 09 00:07
agreed
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:18
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/144728/Gang-kicked-man-to-death-for-a-cigarette-
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Dec 09 00:19
A MIDDLE-aged man kicked to death by a gang of yobs may have been targeted because he refused to give them a cigarette, it emerged yesterday.


The group are believed to have attacked the 57-year-old victim with bottles from a nearby bottle bank given to them by two girls.

Police in Birmingham were allowed extra time yesterday to question six males, two aged 19, two aged 18, a 22-year-old and a 16-year-old, who were arrested on suspicion of murder.

Three girls aged 17 and one aged 19 were also held over the murder and officers have been given more time to interview them.

The victim had not been identified last night but shocked residents in Northfield, Birmingham, said the attack in the early hours of Saturday was witnessed by his wife or girlfriend.

Geraldine Furey, 43, who works in a butchers shop near the scene, said:
By:
Larry's Codpiece.
When: 10 Dec 09 00:20
Edward

Those are interesting statistics but you can't just sweep the questions under the carpet. As we often find with such studies the people doing the study are drawn to study the issue because they have a bias one way or another.

Questions like are the ones ending up in prison typically your hardened career criminals as opposed to those just entering a life of crime because that will obviously impact on the findings.

Similarly you cannot sweep under the carpet that the majority who don't stop offending on community based schemes are at liberty to commit further crimes. In the case of people like burglars this can result in hundreds of crimes per annum. When you set this against the fact that their reoffending whilst in prison is exactly zero this swings the argument back in favour of imprisonment with stiffer sentencing.
By:
Edward Scissorhands
When: 10 Dec 09 10:42
Not sweeping anything under the carpet , of course people can`t re-offend if theyre locked up .
Most prisoners do tend to be released though and without intervention independent studies show that the cycle is more likely to continue . I`m no expert but im more likely to give more
credence to independent , properly submitted studies than the rantings of the Daily Mail brigade .

I`m not for one moment suggesting that we should do away with prisons , if people are a danger
to society then they need to be kept locked up until such a time that it can be demonstrated they are no longer a risk.


other points :

That is the main point which they will never answer Dobbo.

Put 100 Burglars on a non custodial scheme for 6 months and maybe 35 of them will be reformed , but the other 65 will carry on burgling, probably robbing hundreds of houses during that period.

you have a link ?

Put them all in jail and they will commit 0 burglaries in 6 months . And who is to say that the those 'reformed' were actually just relieved to have avoided jail , and thankful to have another chance?

So are you saying that a non custodial sentence might actually work ?

Another point is that those that go to prison are usually going there for their 6th or 7th crime rather than their 1st (the first few having been 'punished' by precisely the sort of schemes lauded by the left) . So prison mostly only used for those for whom rehabilitation has been tried and failed.

you have a link ?


Agree with your other point tobermory that most criminals become less prolific with age , unfortunately unless we intend doing away with all spending on health care , education etc then
locking all criminals up until they are 30 would probably send the country bankrupt . Might also be considered a little harsh in some instances ... perhaps ?
By:
bix
When: 10 Dec 09 10:49
Although it's unpleasant it's an unavoidable fact that imprisonment or death penalty stops these people re-offending either because they cant offend while they're locked up or if they are dead.
If people like Edward cant accept this remedy all they have to do is tell us how they would protect the public from the sort of characters who feel it is acceptable to kick someone to death.
By:
Edward Scissorhands
When: 10 Dec 09 10:53
I was speaking generally bix , in some instances life should mean life .
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:14
they're just idiot kids .. not mass murderers

19/21 years are Hefty sentences .
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:15
Mc Moonbeam 10 Dec 12:14
they're just idiot kids .. not mass murderers

Oh, that ok then.
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:17
what ok then ?
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:18
If you don't understand your own argument, then don't post, you m0r0n.
By:
wockey jilson
When: 10 Dec 09 11:18
Mc Moonbeam 10 Dec 12:14
they're just idiot kids .. not mass murderers

19/21 years are Hefty sentences .

Bless them
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:19
I understand mine .. now what's yours .. c0cksucker ?
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:20
You have now just lost your argument.
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:22
my argument ?

sounds like you're fighting your own .. with the odd insult to boot

whatta guy :)
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:25
wockey jilson, Moonie obviously believes that if you kill one person you should get a couple of years "habilitation", if you kill two, then a few years more, and so on. how many people do you have to kill in order to do 30 years????. Oh and that all depends upon how old the killers are!!!

Unfu** believable
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:26
maybe you could've asked 'moonie' in person

you unbelievably Ignorant , arrogant ,, FCUK
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:30
The use of smileys mark you as a juvenile. hence your sympathy for these ""kids" are you keeping your own defence options open should you go wrong??

Anyway, I have used up my talking to juvenile morons for this week, I will leave it to others to keep you entertained.
By:
cunnybobbler
When: 10 Dec 09 11:30
larry grayson 09 Dec 18:55
One of the tragedies of all this is that we seem to be normalising these ever more violent incidents and are now on a downward spiral of ever increasing depravity; each one numbing us a little more against the shock of the next.
Drastic measures are called for before society breaks down completely and the lenient tactics of recent years seem only to have fuelled the flames.

exactly. its time to keep dangerous people locked up for life. its not hard is it, just put them in their cell and...shut that door.
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:31
K
By:
boxingthefox
When: 10 Dec 09 11:31
talking to juvenile morons *allocation
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 10 Dec 09 11:33
boxingthefox 09 Dec 17:52
Shenanigans 09 Dec 00:26
If they are a problem after two decades, the problem is more likely to be in how we have treated them in that time.

The only thing I hate more than your smug arrogance is your snivelling cowardice shrouded in liberal clothing.



I see your bully boy pattern ....

RINSE

REPEAT
By:
bix
When: 10 Dec 09 11:34
Mc Moonbeam 10 Dec 12:14
they're just idiot kids .. not mass murderers

Unbelievable
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