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They probably will be released , but tbf 19 and 21 years would be well above the average minimums required. It's typicaly about 15 years i think
I guy i was in school with committed a murder around 1994ish , saw him in the street about 2005/06 |
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or his family as you say epicurean.
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*obviously he had been caught and sentenced in 1994
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15 years for murder. What an absolute insult.
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When they are released I hope they become your neighbours shen.
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Unlikely.
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Would you move or become their friends shen . Yes or no.
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I have no idea. Will you be friends with the bloke next door's cousin in 20 years time?
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Problem for someone else right.
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If they are a problem after two decades, the problem is more likely to be in how we have treated them in that time. Obviously, an alternative would be to kill them, but...
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Shenanigans 09 Dec 00:18
Look, if you want this to be purely about vengeance, then fair enough. But at least ask the family of the man who was killed. You might be surprised. Do you know more about this case than has been broadcast, or I may have missed? |
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I don't believe so. I'm just not jumping to conclusions.
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Well, the conclusion is that they;re as guily as hell. Poor chap must have been 6 inches shoeter than the thugs who attacked him.
Just remind me, what sentence do you think would be appropriate? |
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When they come out they should be 'reformed'.
Would you employ them, Shen ? |
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Meanwhile 78 murderers have been released and killed again in the last 14 years .
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Would I fuc.k.
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Anyway, bed beckons, but don't wish death on people if you can help it, I reckon. Probably not a good vibe.
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On the NEWHAM thread on politics (that got pulled because of the luvvies) there was a newspaper article of a man who committed murder and was later released as he was considered no danger to society.
Naturally, the people who make these decisions know he won't live near them so they really dont give a feck. He was out less than two weeks before he killed again. Now hels banged up for life. Just as bad as the paranoid schizophrenic last year, another nutjob released back into the community in Newham. He murdered his flat mate and ate some of his brains. NOW he's locked up for life. Bit late for two people, and their families. |
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Shen a classic case of do what I say unless I'm affected . Should be a politician.
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Shenanigans 09 Dec 00:35
Would I fuc.k. So if the rest of the UK takes the same stance as you, they won't find jobs. What do you reckon they will do ? Resort to crime, knwoing they'll get 3 meals a day in prison, and a roof over their heads, or behave on JSA for 25 years. |
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BC, at least one of those was to do with a failure of our mental health service. That's another thing entirely.
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The would I... comment was not meant literally. I'm just tired and a bit bored of saying the same things to people who wish harm on those that reflect the mess we live in.
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A while back I appealed against a driving ban and on the same day my barrister was representing a young bloke who was pleading guilty to mugging an old lady. The bloke pleaded guilty and my barrister reckoned he would get at least 3 years as he had previous and the last time he was in court he had called the judge a stupid old cnt and it was the same judge. The prosecution read out the previous and it took 15 minutes.This bloke had been done for arson, affray,gbh, robbery - you name it. In mitigation he pleaded that he had stopped drinking, turned his life around and was in a stable relationship. The judge came back and said that he was "suprised himself" but was prepared to accept the mitigation and handed down a conditional.
The felon was literally laughing his arse off and my bloke confirmed that it was all b/s and he would be back in court within a month. |
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I would consider employing them, of course, just as I'd consider employing a mother who had stepped over her own child to get to her heroin in the past.
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Now that, Dobbo, is surely where it all begins to go wrong - as you said earlier.
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Mental health is run by well meaning naive people with your mind set shen. The people they release are street wise and cleverer than the people that evaluate them.
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epicurean, there is nowt "streetwise" about schizophrenia.
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Dobbo, as far as I'm aware, it changed some time ago.
They're not alowed to read out your previous form in court these days as it may sway a jury. |
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Never understood the opposition to capital punishment, especially in this dna age. One of the few things the yanks have right.
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Isn't that just in a crown court? Maybe not.
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BC as he pleaded guilty there would not be a jury ;)
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They are still released by so called professionals . As I just explained they are nuts but does not mean they are not cunning and devious .
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And actually the law has been changed in the opposite way
It used to be that you could never reveal to a Jury that someone had previous convictions ,and now it is possible to do so: to show that the guy may have used the same methods before etc |
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Yes, Ace High - high murder rates, people living for years on death row, the innocent and mentally ill people killed, conflicting moral messages - yes sir, those yanks do seem to have this one right.
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can anyone give me one sensible reason anybody who commits murder for fun should EVER be released?
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the problem with the yanks is that they only apply the death penalty rarely- and then only after much too much wasted time
in a recent year - i read that 40 odd only were executed- whats the point in that? 4000 would send a message |
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40,000 would really underline the point.
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yes
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Round 'em up. Let the police do it - they have a reputation for impartiailty and fairness. Then just line them up and get them to dig their own graves...
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this would do as a deterrent
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/1/amn-645139.html |