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Santini - Gold Cup 2020
Santini - Gold Cup 2020
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I’m off to Las Vegas to watch the Fury Wilder fight so logging off for a week. Hope everyone has a good weeks punting.
Can I get a volunteer to defend Santini in my absence ?  |
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Have fun Hibore,and im sure you will make up for it when you are back!!
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Have fun in Vegas. Take a heli ride - well recommended. But, remember what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
Santini will be in rude-health when you return (fingers crossed). |
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Thanks guys, I’ve done the heli ride into the Grand Canyon last year....amazing.
It’s one of my bucket lists to see a heavyweight fight in Vegas so can’t wait. Tickets are bonkers expensive (more than flight and suite at Ceasars combined) but should be experience I’ll never forget. Back for a week and then Monday travel to Cheltenham for four days. Could be a great 3 weeks paid for by Santini hopefully. |
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Here's hoping too (with Santini), If not to be Lostintranslation will do too; a combo tricast with Delta Work/Kemboy.
Enjoy the fight, 'Hibore'. |
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Back from Vegas now. What a fight and what a town
 Have I missed anything ? |
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Welcome back 'Hibore'. You ain't miss anything. All still standing (so far); Hendo had one coughing (Epatante) but she seems to be recovering well - no more cough detected. A more serious threat could be "corona" the virus not the drink.
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So the big day for you today hibore horse is 11\2 on here layable at the moment so guess you laid the stake off, good luck to you
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Very good run, having to switch surely cost it the race.
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Due to being caught flatfooted he was short of room just before and especially just after the last when Nico had to take a yank on the reins and pull around Lostintranslation that loss of momentum must have cost it more ground than it was beaten.
Not sure if that means he was unlucky or was the architect of his own downfall - probably a bit of both.  |
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Native River's absence was probably costly to Santini.
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townsend won the race with far superior jockeyship
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Al Boom Photo made a bad mistake
aswell in that race.Good winner in my book. |
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OP
by the way he did you proud,Santini, ran a stormer. GL |
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I am a ig fan of Nico but that was not a good ride, he should have won.
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Townsend done him.like a kipper
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Bad luck Hibore.
Lost in Translation cost you more than a neck after the last. Was a darn good call. |
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unlucky the camera angle was poor,
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Come off it lads nico couldnt go with paul after the second last, paul nicked his ground, nico couldnt stay the pace and was left to switch out, townsend knew what he had and nico knew what he had. One had a plodder the other had a bit of pace left. Lets be honest here lads .
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Would not argue with the pace angle Irish,ABP certainly went when Santini could not.
I did see Nico having to switch after the last though.He then had to race quiet wide up the run in. He got beat a neck. ABP is a good gold cup winner, and in my book Santini was quiet an unlucky loser. |
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Unlucky my r s , rank poor riding, horse never had speed scrubbed along around the back, nico cut rachel off and then got cut off himself, what was unlucky about that ? The unlucky horse was monalee if thats your angle ...got put in a pocket by nico and he got a ban for it.
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Nico showed all the signs of unprofessionalism afterwards as well, he had a face like thunder and was an angry man, it was remarked upon on racing t v, they cant prove he hit monalee on purpose but he may well have got away with one there, if you are going to swim with the sharks you cant moan if you get bitten. Coddy lost his temper in the kim muir with baker, he took the 8 day ban in his stride, his dummy stayed well and truly in the pram, nico needs to learn that.
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My angle is that Santini had to switch after the last,alter his line and go wider,costing more than the neck he got beat. Therefore concluding him as an unlucky loser.
I take your points re Monalee and the ride by Nico.....they are fair, but I was talking to Hibore about it being a good call and an unlucky result, and after watching it back I stand by that. ABP won the race because he was quicker from the 3rd last than Santini,hes a quicker horse. Santini was always likely to lose a bit of ground when the race quickened towards the end,but it was always imo his staying power that was going to see him win the race,and had it not been for LIT he would have imo. |
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It was a good call ....But the result wasnt unlucky at all
The best horse won thats a FACT And you are living in denial Once you start delving into the running of the race And the IFS and BUTS of what might of happened You are moving away from the facts Which you can view quite clearly on the replays Besides if you really want to countenance "luck" shirley monalee was a far "unluckier" loser than santini |
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Let's just agree to disagree
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Is PP ok after that "tired" fall? Let's hope he's sound for Punahestown.
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Hes on a wind up again
Why seek attention in this way ? Tw4t |
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Presume you mean Punchestown!!
And you are in serious cloud cuckoo land if you think that's got any chance of being on. |
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Santini ran better than I had expected but still got beaten. I have never really believed he was in that class so fair play to his supporters for getting a shout. Lostintranslation ran well but may not quite stay while Clan des Obeaux will not be asked to go there again but could easily win another King George. Monalee is another questionable stayer as they didn't go an end to end gallop which should have suited him. He still ran a career best over 3 miles plus but he has still never won a chase over more than 2.5.
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Really sage ?
Second in a savilles (twice). Second time beaten a head by Delta Work. Fourth in a gold cup, btn 2 lengths Second in an albert bartlett.hmm ....and because he hasnt won hes a "QUESTIONABLE stayer ? HDB must be an awful trainer .... |
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Over 350k hes won, but never won over three miles
Definitely questionable, i suppose what henry should of done was him in a grade 6 selling chase over three miles at ludlow to satisfy you and impejit. ? |
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I did say that he produced a pb in the Gold Cup but if he has won over 3 miles please correct me. He would be very interesting in the King George. Do you think he was beaten because of the ground or because they went too slow or because he is not good enough?
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Definitely not beaten because of the ground
Won his ptp 3 miles in quicksand Won a 3 mile hurdle in a clonmel quagmire Whilst some moan about nico having to come round ABF LIT Rachel had nico take her ground on the rail About three out And then have to get round three of them to win |
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CDO clearly did not stay; Lostintranslation ran a bit free (too fresh perhaps), and possibly outstayed by the winner and 2nd. But, I've backed him for the KG despite a dismal performance last year. Monalee seemed to stay better with time.
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strictly on the form book,Monalee stays better
than the GC Wnr Native River,he was beaten under 2L bh Al Boom Photo,the latter by over 8L  |
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I think Native River underperformed in 2019 after the titanic battle with Might Bite the year before. Also, ABP had probably improved since his 1st GC victory last year. He was the deserved 2020 GC winner.
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I think it is time for Santini to have a new jockey. Barry Geraghty would not have got Santini beat. Of course there is no quarter asked or given in a Gold Cup, but for me Mr De Boinville should have used different tactics. Mum is however enjoying her Al Boum Photo winnings by the way...stay safe everyone during this time and hopefully we can resume racing properly soon
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Imp ejit
"Monalee seemed to stay better with time." What like he did in his p2p over three miles 4 years ago. Won Or the albert bartlett over three miles 3 years ago 2 nd Or the RSA over three miles two years ago . 2 nd You are a clueless ejit |
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he has run 9 times over 3 miles plus in grade 1 races over hurdles and chases and not won any,either not a true stayer or more likely not a grade 1 performer over 3 miles,although it might be 1 win out of 10 if that p2p run was a grade 1
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Miles away mate
They are talking about the grand national for him ! |