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Cheltenham Festival
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Definitely a high knee action. She'd be very much of interest to me in a CH if the frost covers had been on for a few nights after heavy rain but at this stage that's as far as I'd go.
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That knee action is quite pronounced I have to say
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Be very surprised if she doesn't run in the champion you's should watch the interview way ruby walsh on rtv plus the owners have been saying for months they want to go to the champion ...plus what race is the easiest to win ??????
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covered the last 2 miles 3 seconds slower than Elxir DU Nutz carrying 3lb less so nothin more than an excercise canter today. does seem to havea distinct knee action. Wouldnt be sure about 2 miles on decent ground.
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Ground won't be quick that's for sure so good good to soft or easier at Cheltenham getting the 7bls has to be champion... runs in the mares there's apples jade of level weights .. knee action wast that high on her Cheltenham run .was high but defo not as high as today maybe she wast going quick enough...(Willy says she could go straight to champion hurdle .or a run in the Irish champion ...
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Perhaps she alters her action accordingly, you don't hear of it much but I distinctly remember Mullins making a big deal of it regarding Mikhail D'hageneut doing it after he won the Neptune.
The action today was more pronounced than it was at the festival. BD has shown a vulnerability and I wouldn't be surprised if both Laurina and Apple's Jade turned up now in the CH with the 7lb allowance especially considering that Samcro seems to be a non starter. |
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Talking now about going straight to Cheltenham.
Thats the case it makes it very intriguing..... whatever race she ends up in. As we have no form to go on that's anywhere near top level form its all guessing re punting. Absolutely no way of knowing if shes up to the standard of BD or indeed any of the other main challengers in the Champion Hurdle, and absolutely no idea if shes up to the standard of Apples Jade in the Mares. Maybe as Duffy says,they may go CH with her?(and AJ??) after seeing BD at Kempton. Maybe they will take on AJ in the mares? knowing that BD is a real tough nut to crack in a CH. I hope she goes CH....I like the idea of a horse that we have not much clue as to how good she is turning up on the day,makes it more fascinating and exciting. I hope AJ turns up in the CH as well,that would make the race even more fascinating and exciting. To be honest I don't really give a monkeys about the mares race. Problem with that though,is I just cannot see connections of both horses resisting the Mares and I expect at least one of them in that race,if not both. My gut feeling at this stage is Laurina in the CH,and AJ in the mares,but that's not really based on anything concrete,just trying to make something of the form in the book and connections quotes. |
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plus what race is the easiest to win ??????
Interesting question!! If that means does she have more chance of beating BD in the CH or AJ in the mares,then I personally really don't know. Laurina has run over both distancee and looked good. Do we know what distance shes best at?....I don't. Normally I would say the Mares should be the easier race,but we have Apples Jade around and last years winner. Then we have a dual CH winner to contend with who is a horse that suits the CH conditions really well. I for one cannot answer that one, but it could make for an interesting debate!! |
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Well that's made things clearer  |
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 Got any more thoughts Duffy? |
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Hope Laurina runs in the CH, that jumping out to the right is creeping back in again with AJ, that would surely cost her over 2 miles in the CH I would have thought.
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I remember the first time Dato Star ran in the Champion Hurdle. He had smashed four decent horses in the Haydock Champion Hurdle trial when the race still had a reputation ie. BCD (Before the effects of the mid-nineties Cheltenham Drainage became widely known). I was convinced he could beat Istabraq who I thought had scrambled home in the novice the year before. Obviously me and the horse were well and truly stuffed. As I walked back from the rails I heard an Irish guy say to his mate "I told you bendy legged horses don't win Champion Hurdles." It didn't lessen my red face as I knew he was talking about Dato Star. So, lesson learnt. I hadn't paid any attention to a horse's action before then. I'm not suggesting this is a hard and fast rule. I was convinced Taquin De Seuil (another horse with legs like pile drivers) could never win at the festival on anything better than soft but he did. I just wouldn't contemplate backing Laurina until I'd seen the times of the Supreme and Arkle.
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Anyone of the opinion now that Laurina will go wherever Apples Jade doesn't? No way will they run Laurina in champion hurdle if they feel a mares hurdle is an open goal.
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Its anyones guess what their connections will do with these two!!.
Personally I really hope both go CH,could not give a stuff about the Mares to be honest. After listening to an owner of AJ,it sounds like AJ will be in the Mares. |
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ben,
Laurina's owner is one of the few who tells Mullins where to go with their horse, he wants to run her in the CH and has no interest in the Mares, he owned Buveur Dair so perhap;s thinks he has let one get away, AJ was impressive but aside from her nothing ran a race, her win today won't scare them away if they want to run they will run. |
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Also with Melon's run today Mullins hand is weaker for the race without Laurina in there.
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They ought to change the rules of the Mares so no previous winners or Gr1 winners are allowed in. Would make the Mares more competitive and mean the top Mares have to go Champion or Stayers
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I agree, otherwise scrape it from the Festival programme. The Mares is usually a one-horse race, and not punter or racegoer conducive but connections; an ant-climax of a race, I think.
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I’m not against the race entirely, it gives a lot of Mares something to aim at but you ideally want to see the best horses in the Championship races if possible and it should mean both sets of races are more competitive
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Too true 123 and don't let women into the Bar's either
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Oh yeah, it was a real stinker of a one horse race last year; what with 1/2 shot Apples Jade being turned over by BDD, with that no mark la Bague au Roi on the premises until blundering the last.
Some years it's a non-event, others it's a cracker. Like many of the championship races..... I do agree that it has detracted from a few Champion Hurdles, however, but you can't dismiss it as an irrelevance. |
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A few things have happened since its inception that has sparked the debate about Mares running in it that "should" be running elsewhere.
I think that when it was created they didn't consider the fact that there would be Mares contesting it that would warrant a place in the CH as often as it actually has, only Flakey Dove and Dawn Run in more than half a century had won it, however in recent years particularly, there has been a number of high class Mares around coupled with a period of relative weaker CH divisions which has brought the issue into more focus. |
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I still think Laurina is a more likely winner than Apple's Jade.
Apple's Jade had the run of race beating another small field headed by a horse who finished second in a soft ground Stayers Hurdle. He might be going Champion Hurdle but he is 20/1 and very unlikely to be placed. Unless the race cuts up it's going be harder to execute similar tactics in March. I know she had excuses last year but I think her best efforts have been away from Cheltenham. |
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I know we're still in the dark with Laurina but I've long since bought into the Laurina narrative, I hope she runs and I hope she's a superstar.
The CH has needed a shot in the arm for a few years and this year it looks as if it'll get it. |
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These two Mares have added much intrigue and excitement to this years race,and i really hope both turn up,they should do i would think.
Laurina being still unexposed as to her ability is really fascinating. Whats also fascinating for me is finding out how BD copes with AJ. A shot in the arm indeed duffy. |
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And BD deserves the chance to show mugs like me just how good he really is.
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I guess he does. He has some criticism on here,and i for one would love to see him win this one well. |
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differentdrum 05 Feb 19 16:16 Joined: 05 Oct 11 | Topic/replies: 7,524 | Blogger: differentdrum's blog
I still think Laurina is a more likely winner than Apple's Jade. Apple's Jade had the run of race beating another small field headed by a horse who finished second in a soft ground Stayers Hurdle. He might be going Champion Hurdle but he is 20/1 and very unlikely to be placed. On his win over Mick Jazz/Melon(2 previous champion hurdlers also behind) you could argue he would have gone close last year. Supersundaes form is far better @ 2 miles .JUst that its took jessie a while to realise that . Why it didnt run last year beggars belief. |
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differentdrum 05 Feb 19 16:16 Joined: 05 Oct 11 | Topic/replies: 7,524 | Blogger: differentdrum's blog
I still think Laurina is a more likely winner than Apple's Jade. Apple's Jade had the run of race beating another small field headed by a horse who finished second in a soft ground Stayers Hurdle. He might be going Champion Hurdle but he is 20/1 and very unlikely to be placed. On his win over Mick Jazz/Melon(2 previous champion hurdlers also behind) you could argue he would have gone close last year. Supersundaes form is far better @ 2 miles .JUst that its took jessie a while to realise that . Why it didnt run last year beggars belief. |
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Why is he 20/1 against single figures for a Stayers? That for me is a fair summary of his chances.
Very likely to be (at least) placed in a Stayers, very unlikely to be placed in a Champion Hurdle. I would suggest you could easily argue that his form in his three starts at three miles is better than at two. He has been easily brushed aside on his last two starts. He has been exposed as lacking a gear. On that evidence he has no chance. At three miles he has finished within a length of both Penhill and Apple's Jade who are arguably two of the three best stayers around. Those two runs came on ground that was almost certainly softer than ideal. A good ground three miles and there is a chance of improvement and he doesn't need to find a great deal deal of improvement. At two miles he needs to find a mass of improvement and there is no obvious reason to suggest that is going to happen. To run in the Champion Hurdle is just a waste. |
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to run in last years Irish champion appeared to be a "waste" /warm up for cheltenham .But he ended up beating winners of 3 champion hurdles and 2nd and 3rd in last years champion by 7 lengths plus behind.
Difficult to argue he wouldnt have been placed in last years champion. |
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Yes, but we are not talking about last year's Champion Hurdle.
Last year's race was essentially rubbish. I think it is accepted that Buveur D'Air wasn't near his best, hence he fell over the line. What price did Mick Jazz go off? In a decent year you wouldn't have him on your mind. If Buveur D'Air, Apple's Jade and Laurina turn up somewhere near their best it should be a much better and more interesting renewal. |
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entered in the 2m 4f Listed Mares Hurdle at Punchestown on Wednesday - Mullins stated in his RP column on Saturday that she's an intended runner, I wonder if the ground might scupper that again?
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have seen and heard several crab Apple's Jade festival form...
2nd in a deep Triumph Hurdle won mares hurdle 3rd mares hurdle compares with Annie Power up to the CH win and pretty hopeful she'll equal that in three weeks time.. 2nd stayers hurdle fell mares hurdle (when clearly going to win) won CH |
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I think only connections can have/believe Laurina as/is a Champion Hurdle winner.
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I suspect Laurina will end up in the Mares.
It would be an extraordinary preparation for a Champion Hurdle to have never run against a horse rated more than 147 (Stormy Ireland, today) and never to have run in any sort of competitive race (in terms of the highest class at least). With Apples Jade set to go for the big one, the door is open for Laurina and I suspect she'll head that way, regardless of today's proceedings. 4/1 is very tempting. |
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Thought they had decided definitely CH ?
Cyclops......surely you are not suggesting they will change their mind!!??? |
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Depending on today and a disaster, the owner (who owned BD remember so has already given up one champion hurdler) wants to run in the CH, and this owner is no Wylie.
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This was the owner before Sandown
"She could've run in the Coral Hurdle or the Bula or the Relkeel and I like to think she'd have won those races, but the ground wasn't right and we don't want to mess her up." Long held in high regard, Laurina is the current 5-1 second favourite for the Champion Hurdle and Sullivan, whose colours have been carried by the likes of dual King George VI Chase winner Silviniaco Conti, is eager to target the highlight on the opening day of the festival with his six-year-old. "They think she's pretty good," Sullivan said. "Sandown's the only real race to go for now and if she proves good enough I'd really like to go for the Champion Hurdle with her. "Obviously she needs to step up on what she's done and prove she's as good as we think she is, but if she is that's where we'd like to go." |
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I couldn't have Laurina unless it's soft or worse. She's often too high or a bit awkward at the hurdles and won't get away with that this year if the ground is decent.
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