Shame he chose The Galmoy rather than the Irish Gold Cup. Hopefully the Red Mills against a decent field of chasers next.

The campaign of Native River this season was guided by that £1m bonus; he ought never to have run in the Betfair on good ground similarly the King George where the track and distance were too sharp for him. But no worries, come the Festival given fair ground to all Native River could easily atone for these two early season defeats.

can't think off hand of a GC winner that
ran over hurdles prior to winning?

I'm not laying it Duffy but maybe between 4-5/1?  Why? because it is possible the GC could be run on the fast side of good,he'll handle it but not his optimum.

Laurina and Percy are the two horse trading half their odds and some.... due to reputation at home rather than substance of form.

Penzance why is it a funny old prep .... won the rsa on the back of the same prep. Not being funny but you lads are totally biased with your anti irish claptrap.... you keep guessing and mocking when the truth is put in front of you. Try and keep an open mind when it comes to horses. Optimum distances and ratings are easy to mock as well you know, your adherance to them is misplaced imvho

Good grief,Irishone accusing the brits of bias.....takes the biscuit that one!!.
Most of your posts are all about how great the Irish are.
Think you need to heed your own advice mate when it comes to keeping an open mind.

As for optimum distances,we have had that debate and I dont really want to go over all that again.
What I will say though,ever since that debate was had,there have been a fair few posts on this thread and the Ryanair thread with plenty of mentions re horses staying,not staying etc etc,

Don't wish to upset our friends over the water,not at all, but imo you need to post without an apparent chip on yer shoulders!!!

Duffy
I would price the horse based on what I have seen on the track and potential improvement,which is needed on evidence we gave seen.....8/1 I think would be realistic.

Why should anyone care whether the winner is Irish or British?
We watch the horses in both countries and form an opinion.
I happen to think PP is badly priced, makes no difference where he is trained.

3/1 is extremely short unless one is connected, I believe.

Don Cossack who'd a string of credentials eg victories in the Melling, Gold Cup and JRwine, and including starting 15/8 fav against Vautour (yes, Vautour) in the King George but fell 2 out when challenging only started 9/4 against Djakadam and company.

On the other hand Presenting Percy only beat Monalee (not won since) in the RSA, and now beat mainly non-stayers over hurdles eg Limini and Bapaume (40/1 and 25/1 respectively in the Stayers) and who were trounced by Apple's Jade in their races.

Fair enough Duffy that's of course entirely up to you,and I also have no problem with backing a horse solely on what I think his potential is.
For me in that scenario though,it has to be all about the price compared to my feelings.
And for me it would be about me trying to get a value price.
To take the sort of prices PP has been all season I would want more than possible potential.

sage

That's a different argument to what the others arguing about the price are saying though, they'd have him 7/8/1 if the race was next week.

imp,

forget about the ins and outs of this piece of form and that piece of form, today had nothing to do with that nothing whatsoever (did he need to win by half the track?) today was to see him on the track and compete and travel and move through the race with that style and ease, he did all that for me, he's highly classy .

Stop looking at everything through the prism of strict weights and measures, none of that mattered today.

Apples Jade smashing Bapaume means nothing to PP today, kv once upon a time having years off the track has no relevance to PP today. Limini being once a CH contender had nothing to do with what PP did today.

Still think my price is more realistic though.
Hes won an RSA......that's it!! The rest is hype and hope that a good horse is in fact a great horse.
3/1 is pathetic.

Well if you think hes top class, then you have to think the race he won(RSA)was top class.
Otherwise its a complete guess. No other form that could be considered top class.
For me from what I have seen of him,I think theres plenty of doubt.

A more realistic price for PP would be about 7/1 or 8/1 given at best given known form and prep. He's no value at 3/1, and would be surprised if any shorter than present even if there was an avalanche of Irish euros with the ground another factor; shorter than NR and CDO for winning a mediocre RSA, I just cannot have.

By the way if you manage to lay any 8/1 might bite feel free to have some 9/1 back with me

The irony is that the horse is british.
Picking holes on his form
Picking holes in the preparation
Picking holes in the trainer and those in the know
Why ?
The horse is a dual cheltenham winner
Obviously the trainer knows what hes at
You carrying on laying him lads
You carrying on opposing him
I trust davy russells opinion more

i am so looking forward to seeing an Irish 1-2-3 in the Gold Cup. Doesn't matter which three Irish horses. That will be so satisfying.

Shlotter
Why would that be so satisfying?

It certainly made sense for him to shorten as up until yesterday nobody could be sure he would even run this season! Going from 7/1 to 5/1 would have made perfect sense but 4 to 3 is a bit over the top. I am still not entirely clear about his going preference. If it was fastish good ground on GC day, would he still run? I might even be tempted by 3/1 with a run guaranteed. My only GC bet so far is a small one on Native River at 9. The best guide to the top Cheltenham races is usually last years form.

Sageform you were told the plan in this thread in june last year !
He is a good ground horse
You wont get firm at cheltenham
He wasnt at his best yesterday either
Davy looked after him
Lets see what willie puts in the red mills now