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Not prudent. The distance is wrong and so is the timing - he's still a novice; the horse needs nurturing and not rushed against the much more experienced older horses, I believe.
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It does not matter in the slightest which trip they run him over.He is now the easy winner of a quality 2 mile Grade 1 and is even more proven over 2 miles than further because of it.
With regard to the stable money, I cannot visualize the O Leary brothers allowing that to influence their decision come declaration time. It could be a nervous build up for those who got on at fancy prices! |
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Oh I know impossible - I'm not saying he's not a sublime horse, I'm saying he won over 2m purely because of his class - he's not a pure speed horse but still won, just makes me think he's going to win even more impressively over a trip that's more to his liking at Cheltenham
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MO'L post race - "He's going the Ballymore, there wouldn't be any doubt at all. I think we have Mengli Khan for the 2 mile, he'll go in the 2 and a half mile. One of the reasons Gordon wanted to run him over 2 miles today was Gordon wanted him running and jumping at that kinda pace in the Ballymore. You'll see him today, he's a huge big chaser, not a 2 mile hurdler. That should leave him right for the Ballymore and hopefully we'll have a couple of slower ones then for the Albert Bartlett."
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it was 2 m 2 f
in soft heavy he is an out and out stayer , won his ptp over 3 miles in heavy a fast run 2 miles makes him vulnerable no chance imvho |
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I would personally be very surprised if he ran in the CH as Gigginstown don't run novices in open company, it's not their MO.
Samcro clearly has speed and stamina. Travels like a dream in his races. Doesn't look like anything would phase him. A pure delight to watch. |
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we will see
he has it all to do two ways he can go now the kato route or the thistlecrack route hope its the former |
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It was 2m irishone.
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did they change it this year then ?
always been 2m 2f going back years |
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Yeah split the race in two. 2m 6f Saturday & 2m Sunday
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Just keeping the good horses away from each other imo
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Yes mate they did. With the inception of the Dublin Gestival they decided to have a 2m race and a 2m6f race
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Bit annoying to change an established Grade One race for me, essentially because of Cheltenham.
I love Cheltenham as much as anyone, but the whole NH game revolves too much around it now. |
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i thought they ran round the bend at the top of the straight ? usual 2m start is dead sytraight ?
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i thought they ran round the bend at the top of the straight ? usual 2m start is dead sytraight ?
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fecking poor form that
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I think the 2m race will turn out to be pretty good. Paloma must be a decent bet in the Supreme without the fav ie Getabird or Samcro. You will get a few running in other races also
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Think the Flogas is the best race Ive seen for some time. Could see horses from that race winning multiple Festival races.
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yeah i am stacked on whisky sour for the ballymore , pleased yesterday hit two hurdles and i can see the pony coming up the cheltenham hill
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Slow down boys. Samcro was impressive but the 4yo hurdle was nearly 2 secs faster. Cant see him running in the Supreme.
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2 secs faster yet Farclas & Mr Adjudicator got into a battle Were as Sam won on th3 snaff. Oh and Sam carried an extra 10 lbs also. Also Arkle what's the comments above got to do with Samcro running in the Supreme?
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Move on boys..... all the trading is done on this race.
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Mullins Ricci record in supreme alone will have the aeroplane brothers avoid the 2 miler.
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Hope you are right Graeme.
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Unless the 'aeroplane' brothers were gunning for Mullins/Ricci it would be unlikely Samcro be Supreme bound as his ultimate aim would be the Gold Cup. And, if there was any serious inclination he'd be Supreme bound why not go for the Blue Riband of hurdling ie the Champion Hurdle? More prestige and Samcro could give the fav a proper run for his money.
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Quevega - Eddie O'Leary said after the race it's the longger trip, as he's a big chasing sort. It's where they send their bigger chase prospects traditionaly. My opinion which isn't even worth a pinch of salt is that i'd go 2m. I think he would win the supreme.
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The last time I remember an Irish novice being this much of a cert is Our Conor
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and I went against our conor!
not this time though was also there to see that fatal fall of our conor :( |
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Anyone on here think On The Blind Side could turn him over? Unbeaten, posted a respectable rating & has Cheltenham form?
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No!!!
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unfortunately not, though it's certainly a good horse (on the blind side), sometimes there's just a class animal in there and looking for the 'value non-favourite' is redundant,. as ironically it's the short-priced favourite that is in fact the value
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I would say Dunguib was the last novice that that was considered unbeatable. Our Conor wasn't even favourite for the Triunph, I think he was 4-1 at the off and that was as short as he ever was.
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yeah I just checked he was 4-1 at the off which is weird because in my memory he was 6/4 haha, I just remember all the irish going on about how he wouldn't be beat! I wasn't watching racing when Dunguib was about, the year of Our Conors novice win was the first year I watched Cheltenham
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I honestly cant wait, 4 days of stuffing my face and drinking Champagne, cant beat the view from the settee!!
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may do the first 3 days at home followed by the 4th in the pub and just stay in the pub all day/night Friday and get bang on it as long as I get some bets returned
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what would he have to beat in the supreme ? surely frighten getabird into the ballymore
be a 4/6 shot id rather win the supreme than Neptune |
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Yes, Friday in the pub is always a good one, we meet about 1130, and stay there until we fall over
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Fashion Fever it's because he's a chaser in the making, they clearly aren't that bothered about the Supreme and would rather a more-sure win at Cheltenham especially when there's the slight chance the Supreme could get the horse used to running at too quick of a pace and thus not settle in the future
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and Deptford sounds good to me, fortunately my local has a lock in most weekends so there will no doubt be one on the Friday (the owners irish and a big racing fan)
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I think OTBS would give samcro a tougher race in the ballymore than any 2m horses would give him in the supreme. Packs to be shuffled. I think the Irish will scratch each others backs, to try to take all novice races.
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