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Yorkhill could do a Kalashnikov, if compos mentis; got several small doubles/trebles with Samcro/Footpad.
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I've nothing against the horse, Duffy and was as wowwed as anyone by that Neptune run.
However, since then Yanworth has shown a propensity to get done for toe at that stage in his races and then stay on again, so with the benefit of hindsight I'm less wowwed, tbh. Even if I wasn't, there's nothing happened in the last 12 months that suggests he would be competitive in any race at the festival (although I respect Festival form as being hugely important). If you're right about odds against BD (not an earthly, unfortunately, it's more likely that Faugheen won't show if Yorkhill does) then my whole week would revolve around the race and I hate backing shorties, but that would be some gift. |
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The other downside to this saga as it has given Imp more fuel for his tiresome ramping.
He must be desperate to lay those speculative punts at monster odds off......... |
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I admit I'm letting my head rule my heart somewhat, but I'm a sucker for following horses off a cliff if I have at sometime in the past fallen in love with them
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oops, not a Freudian slip!!! heart ruling head that should be
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I beg to differ,...I'm not letting my heart rule my head.
Yorkhill is class, and as such will give BD - 3rd in a good Supreme - a proper race, if compos mentis. He ought to have run in last year's CH; the remaining protagonists in this year's renewal are non-entities and only playing for places, including Faugheen, I believe. |
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BD odds against cos of the participation of a horse that has been desperate pretty much all season??
Quiet laughable stuff i am reading on here to be honest. |
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Yorkhill may possibly have been class,but nobody with any sense would describe him as that this season.
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you're surely not taking his last run at face value are you? good lord, that day is getting smellier with each day that passes, he was beat before they reached the first fence.
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You will now within the next week or two if Yorkie is flying at home,due to the money behind him. Imo I don't even think Faugheen will go.
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Forget his last run, how about his Lexus effort when he virtually pulled up? Safe to assume he would have been primed to the minute for the that race, plus his form when running fresh is excellent, so no excuses. You can forgive one bad run but definitely not two in a row. Something is not right with the horse and i can't see how better ground and his love of Cheltenham is suddenly going to revive him.
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I don't think you can be too dogmatic in writing him off, we're not talking about a horse that has been proven to be fully exposed at his optimum trip and proven to be not good enough.
The horse has been messed around and not really been given the chance to show his best, I personally thought his first run this season was a good one that only went south when his stamina gave out, he was on a going day that day and took a good hold jumping and travelling well, if he raced over 2 miles at that time we'd have seen a better horse, his next run was a complete write off, even his detractors would have to admit as much. The fact is that there is no book of form to either criticize or support him over 2 miles in a championship race, if you're against him you're trying to marry up what he's done at different trips and conditions to rule him out for a race that would see him in a better light. If you're a supporter you're hoping that what they've done to him hasn't ruined him so he can't perform properly when fully given his best conditions and the promise he once showed in the not too distant past is still there. |
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He wont be odds against,just not possible im afraid.
But yes, a wheelbarrow job if he was. At least the presence of Yorkhill adds something to the race,and no doubt keep this thread ticking along!! He must be one of the most talked about horses ever,and that for a horse that has won a neptune and JLT and not much else. |
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I've been longing for him to run in the CH. His connections chickened out last season but put up a sterling performance to win the JLT. And now the CH (finally) after two disappointing and non-descript runs; 1st, over wrong trip and atrocious ground; 2nd, lifeless and probably too soon after the 1st.
If anywhere near his best hurdling form he's the beating of all the non-entities in the CH, and very possibly the fav BD too. He also loves Cheltenham; if he's reunited with Ruby an additional bonus for horse and backer, I believe. |
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Yes thats fair Duffy not to be too dogmatic,and you are right that he has not had the chance to show what he can do in a top 2m hurdle race.
Personally i would be amazed if he could get close to BD on what i have seen this season and the prep he has had,but the horse deserves to be given some respect,cos after his Neptune victory,it would have been no surprise to see him fancied for the following Churdle. |
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Imp
What is his |
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What is his best hurdling form?
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budd, des, as an interest, let's assume for one minute that the Neptune style of performance will be replicated on the day, now the form itself might not be up to the job, but let's say he runs in that way with whatever improvement that allows him to show, how close do you see him to BD and let's say the market assumes he runs to that run, whatever that might be, what price does he go off at?
I think he's win because I thought that he produced a turn of foot that day that BD hasn't got and over 2 miles would have seen him in an even better light, he wasted a deal of energy pulling for 3/4 of the race. |
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Chickened out???
They wanted to make a Gold Cup chaser out of him. You do spout some nonsense Imp. |
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No they didn't chicken out, every horse they have pretty much that has shown any sort of high class form and hints that it might stay has to have the GC route attempted, the stable need that win.
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Beating Yanworth (fav for the CH against BD the following season and whose optimum distance is further than 2m 4f) in the Neptune showing a good turn of foot 2 out.
Yanworth and Yorkhill should have swapped races last season. But I believe I may have my wishes this time with both horses. |
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i think it will be a miracle if this horse won, in fact i would say he is a long shot to even start in the race, just normal media ramping, anyway good luck with this project
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Vautour?
Chicken out might be too strong a description nevertheless, a bolder and more sporting decision ought to have the the CH with Faugheen out instead of the JLT. I'd challenge any genuine Yorkhill supporter who did not disagree with Mullins' decision to run Yorkhill in the Lexus on atrocious condition 1st time out, and then back to 2m. My money is down, and all I hope now is for him to show up and do the talking on the track - I ain't fear BD. |
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I personally thought his first run this season was a good one that only went south when his stamina gave out
This is where we differ Duffy. I always thought he'd have no problem staying an extra 3 furlongs based on breeding and previous form. To me he always seemed to finish off his races strong. To me he was never travelling really well in the Lexus so i can't write that run off due to stamina doubts. Something else is amiss. imo |
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I’m somewhere between you and Maelduin, Duffy.
I know he has some engine and thought he was a Gold Cup horse. I also thought, at the time, that his run in the Lexus was fine until he got tired. Which would be perfectly acceptable for his first time in open company and in a hot G1. The speed with which Mullins then dismissed him as a Gold Cup horse was surprising, following that, but who am I to question? However, the next run was a shocker, way below par and I couldn’t be backing any horse that has run like that so close to the festival. It throws the previous run into question also. There doesn’t seem to be an explanation (I don’t go along with this ‘messing them about’ nonsense, they’re f’kin horses, not prima-donna soccer players, they do as they’re told - “What’s that Willie, three miles on soft ground? You can Eff off, I’m not doing a tap!”) and that’s even more of a worry. If we forget all this has happened and judge him purely on his Neptune run from two years ago, then he would be a worthy second fav at about 4/1 - I still don’t think that run gives him the beating of BD though. The daft thing is, if he lines up, he will be 4/1 or less and people will just ignore what has happened before. |
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BTW Imp, the ground was Yielding at Leop at Xmas, hardly ‘atrocious’. But that doesn’t fit your narrative.......
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Problem with that Imp.is that Yanworth had the best 2m form going into that Churdle,so would have been stupid if he had not run in the race.
Yes, that is Yorkhills best hurdling form,pretty much his only form unless you want to use the beating of 00 seven!! Still, maybe he would have more hurdling form had he been campaigned differently. |
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If we forget all this has happened and judge him purely on his Neptune run from two years ago, then he would be a worthy second fav at about 4/1 - I still don’t think that run gives him the beating of BD though.
Thats pretty much what i was gonna say Des. |
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Yanworth had the best hurdling form in that CH but not over 2m, in my opinion. On the other hand Yorkhill probably has given the ease he skipped 3l clear of Yanworth after the 2nd last hurdle in the Neptune. After two years of waiting my vindication could be proven one way or another come 13th Mar 2018.
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This turn of foot you keep going on about Duffy.
Not that i agree with you,i think BD has shown us he has,but horses can win the Churdle without a real turn of foot,and by your admission BD already has!! At this moment BD is the best 2m hurdler around(as far as we know). Could Yorkhill be better?........of course he could,but we simply have nothing but a Novice Hurdle over 2 and a halfm 2 years ago compared to a 2m Champion Hurdle last year. |
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Yep he skipped 3l clear of Yanworth who has turned out to be a 3 miler by the looks of it.
Its not form that gives him the beating of the current Champion Hurdler. |
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Yeah, but Bud, just for a second use your imagination.
Imagine if Yorkhill had gone hurdling last year, now imagine BD had stayed over fences. Then imagine Yanworth had won the Grand National and Altair run a close second in the Ayr Gold Cup. What price now Yorkhill for the Champion Hurdle, eh, eh? |
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Yeah, but Bud, just for a second use your imagination.
Imagine if Yorkhill had gone hurdling last year, now imagine BD had stayed over fences. Then imagine Yanworth had won the Grand National and Altair run a close second in the Ayr Gold Cup. What price now Yorkhill for the Champion Hurdle, eh, eh? |
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*Altior ffs.
Altair would have no chance in the Ayr Gold Cup, everyone knows that..... |
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Yorkhill has a proper engine but he is ridiculously quirky so we don't get to see him at his best very often. His run in the Lexus was dire. I just cannot buy the argument that he ran well for 2 miles! He won a JLT ffs and wasn't running out of petrol. Whatever about the Lexus, his run this month was far worse again. That's 2 runs and 2 flops at 2 miles and 3 miles. We know he has mental issues and its perhaps possible that there's something physically bothering him too.
It wouldn't have mattered a damn if his 2 runs this season were over hurdles or fences, 2m or 3m, he just wasn't right for some reason.I don't doubt for a second that he could bounce right back and I'm certain he will do this some day,perhaps even at Cheltenham, but if so then it won't have been just because he has gone back to 2 mile hurdling!! It will be because he has simply come back to form. Remember he has just as many quirks over hurdles. His last 2 hurdle runs were Aintree, where he ran way too free, Townend couldn't hold him, he jumped appallingly and scrambled home in front, and then Punchestown where he again jumped left and ran a dismal race finishing a well beaten fourth.The horse is just a talented nut job but he's capable of either winning or pulling up in either the Champion Hurdle or the Ryanair. |
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Hang on, did budd say he's won the Neptune and JLT and not much else!!!
Well yes budd, he's "just" the dual festival winner, perhaps he should have won one of those races that Des speaks of in his rather excitable post above! |
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I did indeed say that Duffy.
It was meant in the context of how much talking surrounds this horse, rather than meaning to knock the horse. Anyway,i have 36 on here for the Churdle(well they all have their price)so hope he does run,plus whatever one thinks about him he does add some intrigue. My main reasoning is his form this season and his prep for a Champion Hurdle,they just simply don't give him an earthly. If we take that away from the equation however,as some seem to be doing,as is their right,then its all about potential,and that's a different thing. Talented nut job as ftv puts it is imo a fair judgement,and those types can always run a big race now and then,maybe this will be Yorkhills time to do that. |
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you can see why gigginstown took there horses away
He has had the horse in training for over 3 years and he still 60 / 40 weather it runs in a 2 miles hurdle or a 2m 5f chase in two weeks at the most competitive NH racing meeting in the world |
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Agree with that, total mess. |