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By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Jan 18 07:56
Well that will be interesting.
The experimenting continues.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 18 10:35
I've just backed him for the Ryanair at Hills stand out 10/1.

Having won the JLT, that must be the obvious route for him considering Min looks the better option for the QMCC. Backed the double those two at 60/1 with Hills too.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 11 Jan 18 10:48
It seems the most obvious race but I still I think I'd have waited CCM as it isn't nrnb.

So much will depend on the other Mullins horses as there will be some pretty big clashes and hard choices for Ruby. If we assume Douvan doesn't make it then do they take on Min in the QM or take on UDS in the Ryanair? Or do they reroute UDS to the QM leaving the Ryanair for Yorkhill.

And if Faugheen flops again do they aim at the CH? Or do they plot him up for the Lincoln.Crazy
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 18 10:52
NRNB available now uncle.. but only 7/2. Happy to take the risk for almost treble the price.

I personally think there is no doubt they will stay chasing and of him and Min, I think its a no brainer to have Min over the shorter trip. I think the GC is still the long term plan and this will be the Vautour route Happy
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Jan 18 11:08
Experimenting? He ought to have run in the Champion Hurdle post the scratching of Faugheen and Annie Power; 2m or 2m 4f is just up his street.
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Jan 18 12:10
Well he aint been 2m for a while,and has been 2 and a half and 3, so back to 2m seems like experimenting to me.
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By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Jan 18 12:52
Actually to be fair,he has won a chase over 2m , so experimenting is not really the right word.
It is a bit of a change for the horse though.
Cant wait to see the race to be honest, hope he has some decent opposition.
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Jan 18 16:07
So Champion Chase or the Ryanair for this enigmatic and talented character.

If Mullins thinks meeting a fit Altior is too tall an order, and with the chances of Min and/or UDS not totally cast iron in the Ryanair either Yorkhill could very well end up in the Ryanair, a race similar to the JLT which he won last season but open to all and over the same distance too. But if Min goes for the Champion Chase I'd think it very unlikely Yorkhill will be too - more likely the Ryanair, I hazard to 2nd guess.

Min is slightly more fancied to win (probably run too) in the Champion Chase market than Yorkhill which might infer the latter might run in the Ryanair. But these are pure 2nd guessings and nothing more.
By:
duffy
When: 11 Jan 18 16:34
They do have Min for the shorter trip, but is Min any good???, Yorkhill is and they want to win it not just run in it.!!
By:
duffy
When: 11 Jan 18 16:36
They have UDS for the Ryanair too don't they, so there will be two in one of them, I'd have thought it more sensible to have two in the CC.
By:
firstimevisor
When: 11 Jan 18 16:49
Mullins will have at least 2, perhaps 3, runners in both the QM and Ryanair if they all make it there. Douvan could turn up still. Great Field is potentially top class. I would think he'll settle for deciding who runs where on the weekend before the festival starts when they they are all safely stabled in Cheltenham. My guess at this stage is Yorkhill will run in the QM.
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Jan 18 16:50
Logically yes, but Min is owned by Ricci, Closutton number 1 patron. Imagine, Altior had an off-day in the Champion Chase (CC) and Yorkhill (Wylie) beat Min into 2nd place. Also, Yorkhill could have run in the Champion Hurdle (CH) last season but did not despite Mullins had no silver bullet for that race, and only Buveur D'air to beat; Mullins chickened out ie no 2m CH = no 2m CC, no? However, connections of UDS do not have Ricci or Wylie status at Closutton thus Yorkhill and UDS in the Ryanair is a more likely running scenario/plan than Min and Yorkhill in the CC.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 18 17:06
Duffy. I personally think both Yorkhill and Min are superior animals to UDS and will be split up as Mullins best and second best chasers (in the absence of Douvan).

I think it was a pretty poor Ryanair last year and think either Min or Yorkhill could beat UDS this year. So it will be a case of which distance suits those two best and Mullins has said a couple of times Min is all speed... and we know Yorkhill can win over the intermediate distance at the Festival.
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Jan 18 17:24
Catch
I too think Min will be in the QM,but not so sure about Yorkhill, think at this stage its 50/50.
It probably will be decided very near the days of the races,when everything is known, wellbeing, likely going etc.

You know im going to disagree with you re UDS, as i think hes the stables 2nd best 2 miler,and until proved otherwise will continue to think that.
By:
duffy
When: 11 Jan 18 17:36
Yorkhill will run in the 2 mile race at the newly formed Dublin racing festival in early Feb IMO, if he's impressive there it will be hard to run him in anything other than the CC.

By running him in that race they'll basically giving him the chance to prove he's a CC horse.

They've got to run in it but if the alleged Wylie comment that he's 2 miles next time, that tells me which way they are thinking.
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Jan 18 17:56
The most appropriate race for him is the Champion Hurdle - most prestigious/ideal distance - with/out Faugheen; he can win it too given the Supreme formline. But the Ricci factor (again).
By:
harry callaghan
When: 11 Jan 18 19:03
i know some will feel yorkhill is a bet wherever he runs at the festival but does it not bother anyone that he ran like a drain the other day folding quicker than a cheap argos tent?

he has always been quirky horse, it is quite possible he hasn't gone on, we will see i suppose but i don't understand anyone entertaining a bet at this stage, just an opinion
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Jan 18 19:19
It would bother me Harry, but apparently some horses can do no wrong.
Hes quirky,unreliable at jumping fences,and disappointed last time out.
Talented, no doubt in my mind he is, but a betting proposition as some go on about,i dont think so.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 18 20:19
Duffy. They will only run in him that as per Willie's quote that all the 2m4f options are right handed and that won't suit him.

I thought his quote suggested they would run him over 2m4f if they could, but they can't.
By:
duffy
When: 12 Jan 18 05:05
I didn't think he was disappointing at all in the Lexus, he jumped well and had them all on the stretch for a large part of the race, I then thought as soon as the jock felt that the stamina was ebbing away he basically downed tools and gave up and gave the horse an easy time.

The fact that they fired him from the front and were very positive on him suggested to me that he was 100% fit and they wanted to get the stamina question answered.
By:
duffy
When: 12 Jan 18 05:10
CCM,

That may well be correct, but for whatever reason, it is going to be the 2 mile race and if he is impressive in it then talk will naturally be geared I think toward the CC.

If he's less than impressive and win or lose he's sort of a staying on performance then obviously the Ryanair comes more into it.

If you're a Ryanair backer, him running over 2 miles is going to be twitchy for you, as a bold front running demolition job would be curtains I'd have thought.....I'm sure he's capable of such a performance.
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Jan 18 07:04
Duffy

You talking about Yorkhill there.......or UDS???
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Jan 18 07:54
Laugh

Seriously though, if I were talking up UDS for the QM(Which has been known!!!)I could use much the same comments.
Big difference though is that the formbook tells me that UDS is definitely capable of a Demolition job.

FWIW I too am pretty sure Yorkhill could as well, but at the same time I could see him not do it.

I dunno, hes definitely got a lot of talent, we have seen it, guess its all down to the price, and whether I am willing to take a risk and part with my cash....cos for me he is a risky bet, whenever he runs.
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By:
duffy
When: 12 Jan 18 16:16
I'm a lot like a broken record I know, apologies for thatCrazy and I continue to repeat the same thing year on year, last year I was banging on about Yorkhill for the CH which of course he never ran in, the years previous it was Vautour for the CC, again no luck there, so here we go again, Yorkhill should be running in the CC....law of averages, should get lucky eventually
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Jan 18 16:52
Im probably worse mate.....UDS and all that.

I hope for your sake you get your wish,and to be fair, if he runs well in his next race over 2m,then his presence in the QM would be exciting for us.
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 14 Jan 18 17:21
Do we know when this “next run” over 2m is taking place?
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 14 Jan 18 22:27
Duffy. So you not think the fact they chose two and a half miles as a novice hurdler, and again as a novice chaser is telling though?
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 14 Jan 18 22:27
* Do you
By:
duffy
When: 15 Jan 18 03:43
CCM,

Back then it would have been telling because then they were hopefully building toward a GC attempt, his breeding gave them every hope that he'd be a GC horse. They've now exhausted that so what happened before they had hindsight is now redundant.

There's a few notable things that have happened I think, firstly, his run in the Lexus where I think he would have been as fit as possible and was ridden extremely positively in order to give them the answer they needed regarding his stamina. Townend was easy on him when his chance was gone and I think that he was told that he wouldn't be beat for fitness so if you feel the stamina giving out then take it easy.

The non entry for the GC backs the above up as it proves that they are confident from that last run that he won't stay and that he would have been fit enough on that day to give them the answer.

I also think that through Lexus he jumped better than I've seen from him before, notably from the front, he looked straight forward and settled pretty much perfectly, could it be that racing from the front might eradicate a lot of his quirkiness, perhaps he doesn't want to see other horses around him. On this note it would seem better to adopt that approach in a 2 mile race rather than the 2.5 of the Ryanair where that approach might just tax him at that trip in open company. Also I noticed that for the majority of the Lexus he jumped straight up until when his stamina started to ebb and Balko took the lead off of him.

Lastly, I just wonder if they might just start to think of the Vautour situation where although a festival winner, they never really stuck or twisted with him with regards the two "better" races did they and now won't get another chance, with regards to that I just think the non GC entry is an unusual but refreshingly welcome act from the stable. The only thing that they need to decide on with him is whether he has the speed for the CC and to me that's an easy yes.

I think he'll run over 2 miles at Leopardstown next where he'll be gunned from the front with the encouragement he gave from that race style last time where they can utilize his speed knowing that he stays further, if it goes well it will be hard to not run in the CC next IMO.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 15 Jan 18 07:51
I have no issue with him dropping to 2m (fences or hurdles) but he's always looked much better being held up and coming to challenge on the bridle so suddenly asking him to hit the gates and go tearing off at Championship 2m pace seems a bit of a leap?
By:
maelduin
When: 15 Jan 18 13:45
Agree unclepuncle. His JLT run last year showed him to best effect i.e. running left-handed and held up off a fast pace. I think his quirks are most evident when he jumps right-handed or hits the front too soon. To me he definitely needs to be held on to as long as possible. If you look at his Cheltenham wins he is idling going to the line.

Would be great to see him in the QMCC against Altior.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 15 Jan 18 14:11
They've now exhausted that so what happened before they had hindsight is now redundant.

Duffy. I can see where you are coming from, and I respect your opinion, but I cant agree that they've 'exhausted that' after one run. One ffs!! And he was beaten about three quarters of a mile out... so it was clear to me something was wrong with the horse on the day, rather then him proving he doesnt stay. He wouldn't have got home over 2m4f that day.

Im not saying he definitely wont run in the QMCC, but there is now way they will have given up on him as a staying chaser after one run. Especially when plenty in the yard have run badly.
By:
impossible123
When: 15 Jan 18 16:59
According to Mullins, Yorkhill will be running in the 2m 1f Dublin Chase on 3rd Feb, and if this does not work he'll go back to hurdling.

So, no Ryanair for him either, and do not throw away your Champion Hurdle voucher for this quirky beast (yet)...you could be pleasantly surprised.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jan 18 17:00
Nowt wrong with his JLT performance when he was held up and came through to win well, and he looked like he could stay further to me.
Cannot see how the race last time definitely rules him out as a 3 miler, like Catch says he werent staying two and a half that day.
By:
duffy
When: 15 Jan 18 17:02
There wasn't anything wrong with him though was there, for most of the race he was leading them a merry dance I thought, subsequent events are that he hasn't even got a GC entry which for this stable is a remarkable course of action who would normally leave every possible door open but instead it was announced he'll drop back in trip!!
By:
duffy
When: 15 Jan 18 17:05
For this year, which is what we are after all talking about, they have given up on him being a staying chaser, an impressive 2 mile performance next time will see it hard to run in anything other than the CC IMO, he needs to do it of course.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jan 18 17:05
Hell of a prep for the Champion Hurdle,quite laughable from a top yard imo.
By:
duffy
When: 15 Jan 18 17:10
CH?? he won't be running in thatConfused
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jan 18 17:11
Whose he gonna be up against though in this 2m chase?
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jan 18 17:12
Replying to Imps post.
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