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By:
impossible123
When: 11 Jan 17 11:12
Hurricane Fly was an extremely good horse but only met Faugheen once (in defeat), I wonder why?.

It could be true the present Champion Hurdle field without Faugheen is mediocre but one must not forget Faugheen had not have run for over a year come the Irish Champion Hurdle later this month, and his well-being and form had been in question, even now ie his work had not been sparkling.

And in the 2015 Morgiana *1st race of the new season) he was beaten by Nichols Canyon, surely a repeat is not inconceivable this time given the doubts surrounding his well-being, yes?
By:
Ramruma
When: 11 Jan 17 12:16
@impossible123 -- you are right but where does it get us? As I see it, we can't back Faugheen antepost but nor can we back against him.

If Faugheen wins impressively on his reappearance, he will harden for the Champion Hurdle but he is already short enough given the doubts.

If Faugheen is turned over, then we can't bank our antepost slips on any of his rivals because suddenly all sorts of runners will be rerouted to the race which will then have a completely different shape.

All we can do is wait and see.
By:
Satrus_Froot
When: 11 Jan 17 12:37
Faugheen at his best would win it, clearly. I think it's a big ask for him to be at his best, mind.

I wouldn't be holding any real kind of confidence in either him or Annie Power though. The plan was clearly to have them back on the track for the Morgiana / Hattons Grace and they've not been ready. Mullins wouldn't have been holding them back if they were ready to race in November. AP has already had past injury problems as well which is more evidence to suggest she isn't flourishing at home.

I'm hopeful we'll get to see Faugheen in the Irish Champion, but I don't think we'll see Annie Power before Cheltenham, if at all.

Either of them heading straight to Cheltenham without a prep run would be very worrying for backers in my opinion. This years renewal - although not a strong looking one - looks no weaker than last years IMO and will probably still take a performance around 170 to win, so they'll need to be fully fit.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 17 13:52
Can't really agree about Annie SF... she hasnt been seen before Christmas the past two seasons. They clearly plan for her to appear in the New Year and then target the Spring Festivals.

Agree about Faugheen though, much more of a worry.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 11 Jan 17 16:35
annie power betting on here ?
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 11 Jan 17 17:15
Everything suggests shes heading for the Mares Race to me.
By:
Jb23
When: 12 Jan 17 19:09
Paddy Power have just gone NRNB on championship races. Given the notorious history of them being ahead of the curve on Mullins runners, Faugheen (5-4) and Annie Power (2-1) tells me personally a thousands words
By:
brassneck
When: 13 Jan 17 00:37
Faugheen cant beat Annie at home ,why would he beat her at the race track.Confused
By:
rl91
When: 13 Jan 17 21:00
Rich Ricci said in a piece with betbright he's hoping Faugheen will be in the Irish Champion in two weeks.

I'll be waiting for that morning to decide whether or not to back him for Chelts. Will be straight back to odds on if he hacks up, but if he doesn't run I'll be a bit concerned
By:
firstimevisor
When: 13 Jan 17 21:27
Then again if he does appear on the morning paper as a runner in Leopardstown, he will by then be evens for Cheltenham
By:
baNjackst
When: 13 Jan 17 22:35
Does anyone really believe Faugheen and Annie Power are racing each other at home.

The injury sustained by Faugheen is a slow and hopeful process to recovery, pending on the severity but most horses don't ever recover. In order to recover to his former glories I'd have been amazed if Faugheen had been sparkling for the simply reason he surely wasn't been rushed. Patience and patience only is best remedy for the diagnosed injury and I be fairly confident all is being done to ensure the best possible outcome. For all concerned it's a very slow exhausting battle which I hope is rewarded. Best of luck to them.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 14 Jan 17 12:45
Dont mind Brassneck. He's dreaming and the Annie photo has fallen from the bedroom ceiling on top of him.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 14 Jan 17 17:53
Petit Mouchoir put up by the far the best hurdle performance this season imo,  think he will win the Irish Champion and be favourite for Chemtenham then.

Faugheen begin to sound as likely to turn up as Coneygree ...
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 14 Jan 17 18:23
nice form boost for the ascot form from modus their !
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 14 Jan 17 18:57
brain power has been raised 13 pound to an official rating of 162 ,and is a possible for the contenders hurdle at sandown ,he is a little bit like altior they could do things togerther ,hendo  told attheraces !
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 14 Jan 17 19:45
meet the legend btn 40+ lenths in the ascot race won by bp  ,2 lenths up when falling (fately rip)  the last 3.45 kempton today .........
By:
duffy
When: 17 Jan 17 22:44
I personally don't see why Faugheen and AP aren't both being aimed at the CH as a matter of course this year, and I don't mean because AP deserves it as a defending champion either, I mean because surely with a less than satisfactory prep for both horses it makes more sense to run both so as to have an extra dart should one or other not perform, this is the CH first and foremost and the main objective should be to give the stable best chance to win it.

We're not talking about the usual situation here debating mullins splitting his horses up to win more races, we're talking about two stars that have had issues that puts winning one of the 3 big festival races at risk which means they can't afford the luxury of only going into this race single-handed.
By:
brassneck
When: 17 Jan 17 23:26
its husband v wife ,Susannah owes Annie and rich owns faugheen ,so there should be some fun in ricci family.
Now if husband and wife were to argue over something both might insist that their horse runs in the CH.Grin
By:
impossible123
When: 18 Jan 17 00:10
Faugheen and Annie Power in the same race? More likely Trump being voted the Honorary President of the Women's Institute.
By:
wellchief
When: 18 Jan 17 08:38
Previous years yes, but as Duffy says they don't have the luxury this year of having odds on shots in almost every G1 race (which I personally is much better).

I don't see why the wouldn't put them both in the CH, then separate them for Aintree and Punchestown if fit.

Still likely they'll win the CH, Mares Novice along with live chances in the Mares and Stayers, so not too bad!!
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 18 Jan 17 09:14
Guess it all depends on what Faugheen does in the Irish Champion.
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 18 Jan 17 09:18
I'll be very surprised (and pleasantly) if Faugheen lines up at Leopardstown
By:
jedi sophie
When: 19 Jan 17 06:48
Hope he does line up because I shall be there to watch!!

Shaping up to be decent race and faugheen need be in ggod shape to win imo!Surely be as big as a bull?
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 19 Jan 17 17:45
WILLIE MULLINS on Thursday gave the biggest indication yet that Annie Power and Faugheen, winner of the last two Champion Hurdles, are on the verge of returning to the track for the first time this winter.

Mullins told At The Races: "Both worked nicely this morning so I'm very pleased with them. Both horses are pleasing me a lot more now than they have been."

Faugheen has not been seen on the track since his BHP Irish Champion Hurdle win last January, arguably the performance of his career. He achieved an RPR of 177, which ranks him as the best two-mile hurdler since Istabraq on that scale.

Annie Power made a late reappearance last season too, returning at Punchestown after Faugheen had been ruled out of the Champion Hurdle and taking his place at Cheltenham on the strength of her success there.

She too emulated Istabraq by going on to complete the Champion Hurdle-Aintree Hurdle double, which had last been achieved by that horse 17 years earlier.

Mullins seemed hopeful of bringing both horses back to a similar level of form compared to 12 months ago.

"We're well on course with both of them," he said. "We'll see how they go between now and then [Irish Champion Hurdle]. I'd like to get Faugheen there and Annie Power to the mares race at Punchestown, that would be the ideal scenario."

It is widely expected that only one of Faugheen and Annie Power will run in this year's Champion Hurdle. The 2015 winner Faugheen is the 9-4 favourite, while Annie Power is 5-1 but only 2-1 with firms offering non-runner, no bet.
By:
brassneck
When: 19 Jan 17 21:24
my guess is that its Annie champion hurdle,and Faugheen stayers hurdle,with Annie doing identical route to last year and faugheen going over 3 mile,and chasing next year.thats only a guess for what its worth.
By:
brassneck
When: 19 Jan 17 21:32
DONT forget anyone taking on Annie would need to have a 180 rating because Annie rating is based on what she has done and was injured last year and she gets a mares allowance even the great thistlecrack would not beat her over the champion hurdle trip.
unless Willie thinks Faugheen can win the CH But he knows he would never get near Annie.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 19 Jan 17 21:38
I just can't understand why everyone keeps seeing different to what is being stated myself?! I know it's Willie, but still.

Annie only ever stood in because Faugheen was out. If they are all fit, I just think it's straight forward what they will do. It would be very difficult to imagine Faugheen coming back from his injury and being stepped up to the more gruelling World Hurdle surely?
By:
wellchief
When: 19 Jan 17 22:16
Brassneck you wouldn't need to run to anywhere near 180 to beat Annie, Faugheen would beat her if they were all at the same fitness level.

Annie beat MTOY 4 lengths last year when getting 7lbs, when MTOY was off the track 2 years and Nichols Canyon was less than a length behind.

She was 162 after that race, so over 2m she is effectively 169.

Her best distance is 2.5m as shown at Aintree which is what her current 166 rating is based on.

As CCM says, Faugheen is the crack 2m in the stable without a doubt. Just watch his last run before he got injured for proof.

Annie is very very good, don't get me wrong, but Faugheen on the other hand is at another level.
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 19 Jan 17 22:40
Faugheen - Champ hdl
Annie - Mares
Any one of Wicklow Brave, Nichols Canyon, Clondaw Warrior in the Stayers
Djackadam - Gold Cup

Those are my predictions for WPM's championship races, i think VVM is their substitute and will likely travel over but will stay in her box all week with some mysterious niggle coming to light on the Thurs morning Wink
By:
brassneck
When: 19 Jan 17 22:53
then why did Willie enter faugheen in the stayers hurdle,Annie can act or run on any going while faugheen 's not fond of the heavy rain,so my guess is that willie wants an entry in champion hurdle no matter what way the going is on the 14th march,now the problem is that ruby says you can rest assured I will be in the saddle when Annie runs,so that omits both taking on each other(if wellchief view is correct )but the dogs on the street know that Annie burns faugheen off every time they race at home .so why would ruby Annie AND why do people think the machine can beat Annie IF the world and his mother know he cant.Confused
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 19 Jan 17 23:05
Because he always does this merely to have all options covered!
By:
brassneck
When: 19 Jan 17 23:19
what option is he covering entering Faugheen in the stayers.it not that he is short of horses.
By:
firstimevisor
When: 19 Jan 17 23:31
Annie is also entered in the stayers. She is more likely than Faugheen to run in it I would think
By:
Arklearkle
When: 19 Jan 17 23:44
Its crazy to suggest that Faugheen would run in the Stayers. If he's fit and well the CH all day every day.
By:
brassneck
When: 19 Jan 17 23:53
Annie will win whatever race she runs in,we all know that,i just think that we will never see faugheen run against Annie.i think that if Faugheen is beaten on the 29th in the irish CH it will leave Willie with no choice but to run him in the stayers,one sure thing is that If Annie runs in the cheltenham champion hurdle (99% certain in my opinion)it will be faugheen in the stayers.
By:
Satrus_Froot
When: 20 Jan 17 00:54
I don't see the angle that Faugheen is better than Annie over 2 miles myself, with the mares allowance I think there is little between them. Faugheen's 176 was around Punchestown too. His Champion Hurdle win was a 173 according to the handicapper.

People say Annie was better at Aintree. She was, but in my opinion it wasn't because of the trip, it was because she wasn't fully fit at Cheltenham, and she was at Aintree. Cheltenham brought her on for Aintree. That egg and spoon mares race she won at Punchestown last february is highly unlikely to get her fully race fit 3 weeks out from the festival. She didn't even break a bead of sweat.

If Annie is fit and ready to go like Mullins says she is, then it looks like nothing other than the mares hurdle. It's a shame, as it's criminal to see a horse of that class in such an average race, and we'll lose a race from a betting perspective, but this sport is seemingly becoming more and more of a business at the elite level after all. Number of winners triumphs seeing the best horses race each other. Fair enough.

If Ricci really does care about the NH game like he tries to make out, he has a funny way of showing. He'd be a proper wetty by not letting his two best hurdlers go at it in the biggest hurdle race there is.
By:
maelduin
When: 20 Jan 17 17:22
"If Ricci really does care about the NH game like he tries to make out, he has a funny way of showing. He'd be a proper wetty by not letting his two best hurdlers go at it in the biggest hurdle race there is."

The only reason Ricci chose the NH game was because he felt he couldn't compete with big boys on the Flat. He just wants to win as many races as possible by whatever means possible. He clearly has a passion for horse racing but doesn't hold the same sentiment towards the prestigious races that some of us do. Just unfortunate for purists like me that he has become so influential but given it's his money he has a right to do what he wants. Don't think he should take all the blame given who trains/rides his horses.

WPM/Ricci MO = If Faugheen wins the ICH he will go CH and AP to the Mares.
By:
duffy
When: 20 Jan 17 18:01
AP running in the mares race before she had won the CH was bad enough (quevega before here the same), running her in it when she's now actually proven her ability on a higher level makes it even worse.

Winning as many races as possible at the festival means absolutely nothing because if AP runs in the mares race it will mean nothing and will be quite frankly embarrassing for connections.

The one thing above all other things that the Mullins/Ricci/Walsh triumvirate have never been able to get their collective heads around is the fact that running the top horses against each other resulting in one getting beat doesn't mean it devalues the loser, they are far too precious in this regard.

If both horses are fit and well they should both be in the CH, my guess is that we may get a "vautour"...in that we will be told that Annie isn't 100% so will take the Mares option.
By:
Howdi
When: 20 Jan 17 20:02
spot on duffy.
By:
brassneck
When: 20 Jan 17 22:03
All you guys are taking it for granted that the going is going to be good to firm on the 14th,but Annie does not mind what the going is like,in fact the more rain the better for Annie just in case ruby has to push the half a stone mare's allowance button running up the famous hill,but Annie will be well on front before the hill and Faugheen will still be waiting a day or two more for the stayers hurdle hoping the ground dry's up.Laugh
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