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Must admit I am starting to come round to DP.
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Imagine this scenario: the ground is soft at Cheltenham and Vautour has been rerouted to the Ryanair; Bryan Cooper has been instructed by Gigginstown to ride Don Poli, and RW offered the ride on Don Cossack (DC) and chose it over Djakadam.
WPM is happy, RR is happy, RW is happy, and supporters of DC is very happy too - is it not good? Everyone is happy, except the bookies perhaps! |
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impossible can I ask, why would RR and WPM be happy if RW choose DC over Djakadam??????????????
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This way WPM, RR and RW will be assured of a winner at least, and RW possibly two - RW is not contracted to ride RR's horses I believe!
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I never said RW was RR contracted rider but he is WPM stable jockey so I can't see WPM wanting RW getting off his horse to ride Gordon Elliots??? Unless I'm missing something???
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FFS imp get off the sup
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Gigginstown's gentle persuasion always works given their might at WPM's stable; I think RW will choose DC over Djakadam given his recent fall. Maybe Djakadam will be saved for Aintree instead.
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FFS Mrs.Impossible take that drink of off him and put him to bed and get him of thr horses got lent
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impossible I think you should go to the bookies and ask for a price
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That's an original one impossible. I get how Don Cossack fans would be happy if Ruby rode him, but why would everyone else be happy in that scenario? Ricci and Mullins would be pretty peeved.
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I'll have some of whatever your smoking impossible!
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Impossible is aptly named! WPM and RR will be doubly represented in the Gold Cup, by the fav and another trading at single figures and Ruby is riding neither!
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I think his username may have come from comments on his school report? impossible to teach
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Racing manager Eddie O'Leary insists no decisions will be made until Festival week on which horses represent Gigginstown House Stud in the Timico Cheltenham Gold Cup.
It is 10 years since Ryanair supremo Michael O'Leary's racing empire claimed Gold Cup glory with War Of Attrition, but the team have every chance of repeating the feat next month after assembling a formidable hand of staying chasers that includes Gordon Elliott's ante-post favourite Don Cossack and the Willie Mullins-trained Don Poli. The Gigginstown-owned Road To Riches, trained by Noel Meade, was third in the blue riband last March but was a beaten favourite in Saturday's Irish Gold Cup at Leopardstown, leading to suggestions he could be rerouted to the shorter Ryanair Chase - a race the sponsors have not yet won. Eddie O'Leary says talk of firming up Festival plans is premature, however, and is prepared to forgive Road To Riches his defeat in testing conditions. He said: "The ground was brutal in Leopardstown and that was never going to suit him, so we're not despondent. "Like all of them, it will be between the Gold Cup and the Ryanair and we'll decide during the week of the race. It will depend on the health of the two Dons (Don Cossack and Don Poli) and the ground." O'Leary does not subscribe to a theory put forward by some that Gigginstown's retained rider Bryan Cooper rode too forceful a race aboard Meade's stable star. He said: "Bryan rode him as he saw fit and that's grand for us. He rode him the same way at Cheltenham last year and he finished third in the Gold Cup. It's just a ground issue." Another Gigginstown runner in contention for the same Festival races is Valseur Lido, who may well have won the Irish Gold Cup but for making a mess of the final fence and unseating Ruby Walsh. His apparent emergence as a major force further muddies the waters for Cooper, who will have some tough choices to make. O'Leary said: " Whether Valseur Lido runs in the Gold Cup or the Ryanair we'll wait and see, but he was running a super race and he's thrown his hat into the ring. "Bryan will ride whichever horse he feels has the best chance in both races." . . |
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after last years race,RTR should run
in the Gold Cup,should'nt he? Btn just over 3L with the winner out for the season. |
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And on soft ground only losing second in the last fifty yards. Couldn't back him now but it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see him go close.
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Unless its a bog RTR should defy run in the Gold Cup IMO.
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highly doubt he'll be in the GC, they need a Ryanair horse. Mullins will push Lido for GC and who are they left with for the Ryanair? Only RTR unfortunately.
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Which is some form of madness. Either the horse is fit to run at Cheltenham or he isn't. If he is he is their only horse with experience of the race and ran damned close last year on softer ground than ideal. Like I say I couldn't back him ut it wouldn't be any kind of surprise to see the horse go close.
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RTR should definitely be in the Gold Cup imo. The ground went against him last year and he still ran a cracker. The ground was even more against him at the weekend and he was given a silly ride, so I don't think it's fair to right him off for that run. I would be worried how much that will have taken out of him however, given the way the race panned out.
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if connections seriously think that running him last weekend in that ground and that aggressively (following minor blip) was anywhere close to the ideal prep for a gc in march they would have to be crazy - i am a big fan of the horse and have financial interest as well but imo there is no chance in hell they would have done this if they didnt have the two dons - one of the best definitions i have heard of integrity is consistency of actions and words - they talk a good game when it comes to rtr and winning the cgc but their actions say otherwise imo - rtr's chance in cgc was sacrificed in favour of winning the igc imo as they think they have two better for cheltenham.
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Another angle I'm not sure has been discussed in relation to the horse is that with being targeted at the Galway Plate in 2014 the horse basically went from the Autumn of 2013 and had a run in to last years Gold Cup without a genuine break of three or four months as most horses get during the summer months. He got that last summer but this decision to target the IGC in that ground may have greatly hindered his chance.
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Agreed, someone posted a list either earlier on this thread or one of the innumerable other Gold Cup threads about the record of IGC horses in the CGC.
I knew it was a thing, intuitively a hard race over 3m on soft or worse this close to the Festival can't be a positive, but the actual list was pretty damning for RTR and the others chances. |
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agree - and how about this for irony - the owners already had a horse in the race that as it turned out had a better chance in the conditions to win the race so for me they couldnt have got it more wrong if they tried - i would like to know what was going through the trainers mind as they were lining up at the start of the igc - at that point he would have known how the track was riding and he would have known that not only had conditions cast a serious doubt over him winning that race but also of him leaving his cgc race behind too. Also probably knows that whatever he is thinking he has to put up and shut up.
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Horses taken out of the Gold Cup at latest forfeight stage.
Al Ferof, First Lieutenant, Road To Riches, Saphir Du Rheu, Wounded Warrior, Seeyouatmidnight, Virak, Lord Windermere |
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Looks like RTR still in.
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And so he should be.
Would be stupid to take him out this early. |
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Corrected Defectors. Apologies for first post but copied from Twitter.
Al Ferof, First Lieutenant, Lord Windermere, W Warrior, Seeyouatmidnight, Virak, No More Heroes, Roi Du Mee. |
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sort it out shock,poor old cat nearly got a good kicking then!!
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Haha, read your post and thought WTF. So went back and saw the corrected version. No surprises anyway.
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The Tizzard string in fine fettle....... destiny awaits!
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lay that til the cow's come then
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Why all this constant talk about road to riches. Couldn't win it last year. Horses only ever win it in their first try at the race and yet all I hear about and read about the gold cup involves rtr?? Am I missing something ? Surely there are several more likely winners than this one.
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Don't know how much you can take from those Kemption gallops but Cue Card looked in tremendous nick. Brennan had a big smile on his face coming back in which is always a good sign.
Aux Ptits Soins seemed to have the measure of Saphir du Rheu. |
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don cossack anyone else seen davy russel is riding it in some work at punch!!?? Great news NO COOPER!!
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Hope it is a done deal with the pilot for DC in the GC, and the backing from DC's trainer speaks volume to me. No offence BC,DC is not a good ride for you I'm afraid.
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MarkBradstockRacing @BradstockRacing 2m2 minutes ago
Updates from the yard. Coneygree is recovering at a flying pace enjoying sara riding him out again. #watchthisspace |