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I've backed these for The RSA & The NH Chase. The market on here is starting to suggest that this is where they are heading. My guess is that which ever one runs on Sunday will go for The RSA.
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annoying tbh. not sure why don poli needs 4 miles, won at 2m5 last year at festival and he just looks all over an RSA horse
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Only reason it will run in 4 miler, so he son can be on imo. Surely no potential Gold Cup winner has run over 4 miles before lol!!!
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It's pretty simple. Mullins wants them in RSA and 4 Miler. Cooper wants them in JLT & RSA. We don't know what Giggenstown want, but I'd imagine they'll want JLT & RSA as Wounded Warrior looks a very strong fav for the 4 miler in Poli's absence.
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Everything has come together perfectly for Willie if so.
UDS - Arkle Vautour - JLT Valseur Lido - RSA His three best novices all kept apart... And to top it off, young Patrick given the best possible chance to ride a winner in the 4 miler. |
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Mullins will want to keep Vautour, Valseur Lido & Don Poli apart for sure. How this goes down with Gigginstown will be very interesting.
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synchronised....
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Mullins wanted Sir Des Champs in the RSA, a few years back. How did that work out for him?
 The one mob who don't give a hoot who the trainer is and call the shots is Giggenstown. They're more concerned with placing their own horses to get maximum chances of winning rather than letting Mullins place all his string to maximise his own chances. It's why Giggenstown have their own top jock. It'll be interesting where they run. I'd have no interest in Valseur Lido in JLT, but big interest in him in RSA. |
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Hope you correct CV re Wounded Warrior in 4 miler,has very solid form and still decent price imo,had some 25s on here.
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Then Mullins got his way the year after forcing Mouse Morris to run First Lieutenant in The Ryanair. You'd have thought that trying to work out where Mullins sends his novice chasers would be easier than this novice hurdlers. But it isn't!
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Would it be certain that Gigginstown would use Patrick Mullins if Don Poli goes for the four miler? Jamie Codd has ridden a lot of their pointers afaik.
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I can't agree CVB. You're almost suggesting Gigginstown won't listen to what WPM says. He is a very persuasive man and if he strongly recommends certain targets they will mostly listen IMO. Whilst they will of course look at all their options, they are firm believers in being guided by the trainer of each horse.
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So they'll have no runner in the JLT and two very short favs in the 4 Miler because Mullins wants it that way? Rule the World would have to win or go very close on Sunday for that to happen.
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Their talking about Don Poli has a GC horse in 2016, no way Eddie O'Leary will run him in 4 miler for novices, if he hadn't won the Topaz at xmas so well might have had some chance, I personally think Valseur Lido will win the JLT if he runs, Bryan Cooper practially laughing at the idea of Poli in 4 miler on podcast pre xmas
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I'm not saying that's what will happen at all. I'm saying they will listen to Mullins though. If Mullins thinks DP is a GC horse he won't be running him in the 4 miler, obviously.
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Back in Focus won the Topaz on his way to winning the 4 miler.
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You've just said yourself you wouldn't fancy Valseur lido in the JLT. So maybe they don't either?
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I just can't see Giggenstown not running the 3 horses in the 3 races for which they are fav, Poli & Wounded Warrior will be fav's for their races while Lido will be joint fav or 2nd fav for JLT if he wins Sunday.
To Maximise their chances of winners they need to keep their 3 top horses apart. I'm really interested in where they run though as Obviously Mullins wants Vautour and Valseur kept apart and Poli in 4 Miler would do that for him. |
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Exactly.
If WPM tells them that he couldn't see a way VL could beat Vautour in the JLT, which doesn't take a leap of faith to think he might suggest, then it falls into place. |
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So that means Don Poli and Wounded Warrior in the 4 miler? I can't see that happening thb. All things being equal the right race for both Valseur Lido and Don Poli is the RSA in my opinion. But Cooper really wants them kept apart and him in the saddle. If Rule the World were to win on Sunday I could see him going for JLT and VL stepping up. But in all liklihood we'll have them all kept apart and Rule the World as the 2nd string in the RSA or kept home.
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If valseur lido runs in jlt Cv,will Vautour run in the right race for him...the arkle
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Where Valseur Lido runs has zero baring on where Vautour runs. Ruby Walsh doesn't ride for Giggenstown. He will ride UDS in the Arkle and UDS will win the Arkle. He will then ride Vautour in the JLT, Mullins will increase his chances of winning the JLT when Giggenstown decide that Valseur Lido runs in the race too.
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Because the RSA is so competitive, I'd say it was more likely they would run both DP and VL in that, than DP and WW in the four miler. But I wouldn't under estimate WPM getting his way.... And none of us know what that way us unfortunately.
After all, DP looked two good for the Martin Pipe last year to me, and Gigginstwon only had one runner in the shape of Lieutenant Colonel in the Neptune. But no doubt WPM had told them it was pointless taking on Faugheen. |
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something has to give here. gonna be really interesting which horses go where. the odds suggest that a conversation between gigginstown and mullins regarding targets hasn't happened yet, or that is has happened but they simply don't agree on plans.
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I think WPM has even more firepower this year than usual. There simply aren't enough races for him to keep all of his big guns apart this year.
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your right can't catch me. he's never had more for novice races
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Mullins has been pulling the wool over his owners eyes for the last couple of years but he'd want to be some operator to cod Michael O'Leary and co. on this one.
The right races are JLT - Valseur Lido & RSA - Don Poli. |
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Syt I agree,I also think richi rich needs to grow some balls!
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It wouldnt surprise at all if one of his star novice chasers developed a 'niggle' and missed Cheltenham all together.
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SYT if WM has been pulling the wool over his owners they have done very well out of it because last season his owners won more money than all PFNs and all NJHs owners combined. The truth is WM doesnt care whose horse wins a race if he trains the winner. I would imagine VL and Vautour will both run in the JLT but I'm just guessing. I can see WM having two and even three runners in some/many of the novice hurdle and chase races this year.
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Would be convenient Mr eboue wouldn't it,I hope it's uds lol
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Cuf and Eboue I'm amazed you would believe that. Why would WM wish to diminish his chances of winning races at the festival.
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According to some he did last year,where was un de sceaux last year,even though that wouldn't have won anyway
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The people who say AP and UDS would have won the Ch H last year are talking rubbish.
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I agree with you,I just think mullins would do anything to get his own way,anyway there is also a fair chance a horse might pick up an injury !
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It's an opinion being shared by more and more as the days go by lads.
Some have woken up,some already were,others are lazier,but will get there. |
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Bitter and twisted comments not really wanted on here.
Good idea to keep ya pocket talking comments to yourselves imo. |
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The people who say AP and UDS would have won the Ch H last year are talking rubbish.
Bit harsh? In light of what UDS has done this season, I think there is a more than fair chance he would have gone very close in an average CH last year. You can't say it's rubbish, as you patently don't know what would have happened. People are clearly entitled to that opinion. |
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Reference the original point of the thread, I don't think there is any doubt the most obvious choice is as follows:
Arkle - Clarcam JLT - VL RSA - DP 4 miler - WW If they want a runner in each, then it's a straight forward choice, and a pretty easy one to make. But then most would have thought the Arkle was a pretty easy choice for last years brilliant Supreme winner. He looks like being re-routed to avoid one horse and trainer and jockey have the best chance of winning more races. I could see how WPM could tell Giggingstown that he can only really see one of the above winning, as UDS and Vautour are virtually unbeatable, and WW is no penalty kick in his race. If, and I know it's a big if, they skipped the JLT, they would have probably a better chance in the RSA and DP would surely have a much better chance than WW in the 4 miler. So by moving to that option, they have a decent chance of 2 winners. I also think that the way VL won the Drinmore in testing ground suggested he has stamina in abundance and the speed test of the JLT won't suit him quite as well. |
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Budd when I said any horse,that accounts for Vautour aswell,not pocket talking,not that there is anything wrong with pocket talking,horses every year pull out of the festival,that's not bitter and twisted !
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