If this horse gets injured, all the wiggers will say 'peace out'.

This thing sounds so good why not stop fannying around and go straight for the GC. He could win about eight in a row before he gets too old. That would put WM and his Quevega in their places. The whole thing reminds of the guy who had this great pointing mare. He ran her in a race but did not realise she was in foal. Anyway she was home and hosed jumping the last but stopped and gave birth to a foal and continued on and won the race and to make things even better the foal came in second. For some reason this thread has reminded me of that story. PAC may in time prove to be the next coming but hey slow down a bit.

Does anybody seriously think this horse has the profile for the supreme? From memory the four year olds which have done well in that race had quite a bit of previous experience. Horses like Binocular and Hors La Loi had quite a lot of flat experience before coming over. Traditionally the supreme seems a race where plenty of experience including such flat experience wasn't necessarily a hindrance. Throw in the impression gained on Saturday with how he carried on round the bend that this fella was full of running over two miles and a furlong and I know where I think he'll be aimed.

Just had a loo back over the last ten years of supreme and triump winners and there is a definite bias in the supreme for more experience. Vautour and Menorah were relatively inexperienced coming into the supreme but most of the horses had nine or more races. Presumably partly with them being younger this trend isn't seen with the Triumph you do have horses like Katchit which had plenty of experience but for example Tiger Roll won last year with what would resumably be a very similar racing profile to Peace And Co.

Been away and only got to watch this race in full last night. He looks an absolute machine and for me his most impressive feature was his hurdling - looked like a seasoned pro. Good luck to all who have 8/1 and bigger but I can't get involved at 4/1 now. I'm on Kalkir @ 25/1 but if this first impression of Peace & Co is correct then Kalkir is going to have to improve a fair bit.

I have backed Beast and Co for the Triumph but remember we are dealing with Nicky Henderson here. You would trust him about as far as you could throw him and running the horse in the Supreme is exactly the sort of idiotic contrary move we have come to expect of him over the years. Sadly it would be no surprise were the horse to end up in the opener on Tuesday.

One further point - how is it that Henderson has got plenty of machines beaten in the Supreme over the years (Spirit Son/Josses Hill/Binocular/Sprinter Sacre) only for them to go onto Aintree and improve markedly?

Hendo is fairly gentle with his novices hence why he don't have a great winning record in festival nov hurdles. They often prove a lot better later on hence his pretty good CH record.  As for the possibility of the Supreme.....I don't know the owner personally so have no idea what he would do were he to have 2 live candidates for the Triumph, splitting them would be an option that may appeal to him.

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having said that, I'm edging more toward CV's way of thinking than the contrary.

just a few things bother me ! the price is too short now  (although I would have been happy with 10s or better) and was this horse heavily backed for the triumph before Saturday ? if not then maybe he don't show a great deal at home and saved it for the racecourse ,  connections i.e stable staff who would have a good idea of its ability do they rate it   much better than hargam ?or is there something as good or better lurking in hendos yard ? hard to know but considering the manner of which this one won they are a bit muted with the praise for it or lack of superlatives ,haven't heard bjg say much about the horse ,I know Jacob rode it but I would assume bjg would know of its ability and just haven't heard him give it a mention in his atr column why? good luck cv and all others who got decent prices

Foyles got a message about it on Saturday, Working as well as anything on yard and was strongly fancied so wasn't unexpected but don't think they was expecting such a big performance.

was there any quotes in price  for the triumph before Saturday ?

thanks tucho!

Foyles, Hendo flagged up he may be special before he ran in a preview call with bet racing nation. It's on YouTube. He wasn't available on irishracing.com to put in my horse tracker so I never backed him on weekend. But point is he clearly was highly thought of. Was 16/1 for Triumph before the off on Saturday.

I just think he's a wonder horse. I might be wrong, I might be right. I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I just get goosebumps rewatching his race. It's the most astonishing debut I've ever seen by a 3yo. Like when a 5yo Master Minded won a Champ Chase by 19l. Never got near that again, but was still astonishing stuff.

As always time will tell. Master Minded will never be remembered as anything better than than very good, rightly so as he only ever looked a superstar once. Sprinter Sacre made a mockery of the sport. Kauto won countless  race by well over 10l, hell 20 and 30!

I hope Peace and Co is a at the beginning of an awesome career. Time will tell.

Watch him jump. Very quick and economical. Very impressed with him.

i think Master Minded was brilliant personally. 8 Grade 1s. nuff said.

Dunguib, seriously!!! He won a well know stayers race, the Champion Bumper, then won 4 very weak races in Ireland in bottomless ground, finally was given a bad ride in supreme and jumped poorly and was beaten 2l.

If you have a horse who can win a Champion Bumper you ride him for stamina, like Champagne Fever.

So I cannot be having him compared to Peace and Co. The performance the other day was over hurdles, he jumped awesome and won in an exceptional time on the bridle. Dunguib did nothing like that over hurdles, winning races so weak his biggest price was 3/10.

I just don't see anything similar between Dunguib and Peace and Co.

Shock,
He also has Top Notch for the Triumph-same owner. What if hes impressive and fancied,what then??

Ok,but both in which race? Lami and Paco in supreme,or Paco and TN in Triumph?

TN fred winter ?

4yo run in Triumph and Lami the 5yo runs in Supreme. It's not complicated. Or if you were a wise owner you'd save one for Aintree as it comes soon and the Triumph is a hard race on young horses so vast majority of winners didn't win the Triumph. The Peace & Co for Supreme is such filthy thieving by Paddy Power.