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The Champion Hurdle
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ctewgQcAeNc
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Yeah, seen it before but very good still....beaten by two fookin handicappers
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Well done the Fly, my favourite Churdler since Sea Pigeon.
Booked a 5th dance at Chelters, love the horse, but he wont beat Faugheen, so if you want to back him, wait until the W/O the Favourite market. |
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I too hope Jessica Harrington will persuade JP that Barry Geraghty must ride Jezki in March. Their record together is impeccable and McCoy just does not seem to suit the horse. He would be much better employed riding Plinth to give Jezki the strong pace he needs. Bring Back Barry!
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There's absolutely no way that JP will allow McCoy to be jocked off.
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PP have priced up Ruby's mount for the race. They've gone
1/10 Faugheen 5/1 Hurricane Fly I personally think they've got it right, but it sounds like quite a lot on here might be interested in that 5/1. |
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Can't believe Purple Bay still 50/1 on offer with most firms, same 50/1 for Sign of a Victory who PB destroyed last time, same 50/1 for Bertimont who PB smashed in the Elite Hurdle.. A place worth 12.5/1 very generous of them.
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Paddy Power know who he rides, as they pay him a nice bit of cash to give them info and write a blog on their site. It's no coincidence that they went a standout 9/1 on Vautour on the Arkle when Ruby probably said, "if Un De Sceaux is as good as we think he is Vautour will step up in trip."
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And when they put it to Walsh that a bookmaker had priced it up without mentioning which one to him, he laughed at it and said it's bookies trying it on and "the public are falling for it"
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2/9 he rides faugheen on here
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He'll ride Faugheen, can't see him getting off unless it's proper soft and even then that's no problem for Faugheen.
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We could easily be in this position next year. If Douvan and Faugheen win their respective races this year, they could both have the Champion Hurdle as their target.
But then Ricci won't want them both against each other, so will one go chasing? Then one of them could run in to Annie Power. It's like a broken record with this stable, and it's getting pretty boring to be honest. |
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I think Faugheen is bound for chasing career next year regardless of what happens next.
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FFs next year,dont know what is going where this year,with many horses.
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Douvan surely goes Chasing next year. Was never bought to stay hurdling. Allez Colombieres was the one bought for the Champion Hurdle
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Yeah I understand that Stevo, just saying that this happened last year, and will likely to happen next year, which will be a big shame.
It's just probably about 60% of posts and threads in the Cheltenham 2015 forum have all revolved around Vautour/UDS and Hurricane Fly/Faugheen, and the whole Ruby will want one in each race, this won't race that because of Ruby etc. We've got G1 races like the Neptune, Albert Bartlett, Triumph Hurdle, JLT, QMCC etc that have had next no coverage (apart from a Peace and Co thread and a Will Sprinter Return to his best thread) because everyone's time is taken up with who will Ruby ride and will UDS face Vautour in the Arkle. |
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timtin • January 31, 2015 11:06 AM GMT
I think Faugheen is bound for chasing career next year regardless of what happens next....interesting point timtin, he would be the first champion hurdle winner, to go chasing, the following season, this century, i think. |
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he would be the first champion hurdle winner, to go chasing, the following season, this century, i think.
he hasn't won it yet |
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Well Chief, go have a few quid on Identity Thief for Supreme and Snow Falcon for Albert Bartlett. Crazy value both of them, they took another half a mile to pull up at xmas. Both are very smart
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Well he was bred for chasing wasn't he? His dam's sire Accordion had CC, Arkle, Ryanair winners. They wanted to take him chasing this term but from my understanding he was also the best candidate for the CH therefore they delayed with 1 season his chasing career.
Mullins could change his mind but that was the plan all along, even they were surprised what he did at P'town last season showing that turn of foot and beating much easier the past adversaries of Vautor. I guess it all depends on how the rest of his superstars will fare at the festival and the decision will be made at the end but they would waste Faugheen career if they'll keep him over hurdles. He stays 3 miles so they could train him with Gold Cup in mind, he has much more potential over the big obstacles than doing the same pony trick over 2m hurdles. |
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Cheers CV.
Fwiw, I think if they ever want to go chasing with Faugheen it should be next year, whether he wins the CH or not. He'll be 8, and I wouldn't think they'd want to take a nine year old novice chasing if they don't do it next year. |
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I think Faugheen stays over hurdles tbh, step up to World Hurdle trip if he is caught for pace this year.
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The main dangers I see for Faugheen are fitness and jump mistakes, I doubt he'll be found for pace unless they enter a flat group horse in the CH.
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I did say 'would'
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Given that Ruby Walsh is on the Paddy Power payroll it strikes me as being a bit odd that Faugheen is a stand out 5/4 with them (and has been for some time) when he is generally an even money shot elsewhere. They clearly want to get him and its also noticeable that both Walsh and Mullins have always tried to dampen any hype around the horse unlike Hurricane Fly who they have always put on a pedestal. You'd have to say that Faugheen has been impressive to date but seeing is believing and its a huge leap of faith to back him at such prohibitive odds given the jump in class that he will face in the CH. You'd have to think that Mullins knows whether Faugheen will have TNO and Jezkis measure based on a formline through HF and how he is working in comparision to Faugheen in the yard. Its a definite no bet race for me, can't see any value whatsoever.
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This is what Mullins said directly after Faugheen had won the Neptune at last years festival
Asked to compare Faugheen with his Supreme victor Vautour, Mullins added: "Vautour is a different level." So if Vautour was a different level over 2 miles last year at Cheltenham time, and we all know how he has had a mediocre campaign (albeit over fences), how can anyone justify the price of Faugheen in the market at the moment. Faugheen has either really surprised Mullins with his development and he never spotted his supreme talent in advance, or he is pulling the wool over our eyes in downplaying his ability. Vautour was always spoken of more highly by Walsh, Mullins and Ricci and yet both horses careers appear to have gone in different directions since last years festival. |
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Pretty sure they've said a few times that Faugheen isn't that impressive in his work and they've been surprised by his race form.
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"but seeing is believing" lol the RUK slogan is catching up
 Btw did anyone noticed that Frankel(after the Guineas) and Fauhgeen(when jumping the last at P'town Herald Champion) appear in their logo for that free trial campaign(http://racinguk.com/freetrial)I think Mullins relies mostly on the work they're doing on the gallops but they don't force them to race each others I don't think. He did said about some horses that are very lazy at home and only give their best when proper racing so probably they won't know themselves how good Faugheen is and we will all learn that in a proper race with a strong championship pace. We do know that Faugheen is up there with them based on the form this season, but we don't know how/if much better than the best(Fly The New One and Jezki) he really is until 10th of March. Looking beyond the prices and maybe lack of value, this looks the best race of the festival and can only be topped if Sprinter Sacre returns to his best. |
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Briar Hill went off at 20/1. With Walsh on board. That says it all for me. Trainers can say what they want about their horses but it doesnt always happen on the racecourse. the ammount of stable second strings that win or do better than their first string, most notably in irish jumps racing, is remarkable.
Just because RW is on the payroll and Faugheen is 5/4 means nothing - they'd be 6/4 or bigger if they were really out to get him. its just mind games from paddy power. |
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"Asked to compare Faugheen with his Supreme victor Vautour, Mullins added: "Vautour is a different level.""
http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/26297/faugheen-demolishes-neptune-field , can you spot the grimace after saying that? In the interview he also said they'll take him chasing next season so that was the 2nd false sentence that Mullins unwillingly said."both horses careers appear to have gone in different directions since last years festival" Have you watched Faugheen Herald Champion? What he did to those horses was the decisive answer to which one of the two they keep for CH and which one they'll send chasing. |
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Faugheen has to be the Festival BANKER without a doubt!!!
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If the champion hurdle is run in around 230 seconds would you be staking your life on a horse that hasn't done that against proper grade one horses over 2 miles and that has shown a tendency to be very awkward at his hurdles .
Faugheen is priced as if none of this is any concern whatsoever. Will be interesting to see who wins between the backers and layers. There is talk,of him going off odds on at SP. |
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Keep laying Gart. You may make a fortune and the backers need people like you.
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Not my sort of bet to lay in this as I would rather back one or two against it.
Which is sort of laying. |
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I love Faugheen but he was 6-1 pre season, now 5-4, for what? Winning two races he had every right to win. I can see why his price has come in, especially as MTOY was out for the season but 5-4 looks skinny to me, on the basis of what we have seen in the last 3-4 months.
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Has a horse ever been this price in this race having been a novice the year before?!
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I am reliably informed that Binocular was 7/4
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No one is forced to bet Faugheen at the price. If you think it's too skinny leave it alone, it's the same with any horse. Can't see the issue. I get the arguments about what it's beat, but that's Mullins protecting The Fly syndrome. I actually think the price is about right. If he's as good as the hype he wins and if not he gets beat. 50/50 = Even money.
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