^ exactly

^ Agree with this as well.

Also, Vautour's win at Punchestown surely confirmed (in their minds anyway) that he does stay 2m4f, so I don't see why he'd need to run over that trip over fences before the JLT if that's where they're going.

And for UDS possibly missing the Irish Arkle - that doesn't to me say anything about which of the pair Mullins rates higher. UDS is hard on himself in his races and will be in front after the tapes fall whether he's running in a Grade One or a mickey mouse race. So would seem sensible to me not to blood him in a Grade One before Cheltenham - I'd much rather give him experience of jumping in a weak novice race in the hope that he won't take too much out of himself before March.

By the way, I think Vautour should run in the Arkle. I'm just echoing the sentiments that Mullins' running plans for the Irish Arkle probably provide 0 clues as to which races the big two will run in at Cheltenham.

He's a headcase as well so need to go back to 1981 (I think) for last "made all" in the Arkle.

Add to that he needs a bog.

The first two fences will sort the race out. Downhill, breakneck gallop, I have visions of Well Chief in 2007 again :(

Mulligan. 1997 Arkle. 11111 over fences. "led 2nd fell 4 out". This horse Un De Sceaux reminds me of him, as does Well Chief in 2007 as stated above.

UDS is quick accurate jumper. No concerns on him jumping round.

Last season Mullins rans Felix Yonger in the Irish Arkle so who runs for him this season will not mean who is number one or who goes where.

UDS into 2's

I, like many others, am a huge fan of the horse, but how could anyone back him at this price? Beaten nothing, only completed once over fences, has never been to Chelts, and nobody knows who he will even be running against! Madness. Even if Vautour goes elsewhere, I couldn't see him being much shorter on the day...

crazy price, think he,ll win but its been a no bet race for me and I am just going to enjoy watching it.

will prob win.

could possibly fall 20l clear with race at mercy

could get fcuked up the hill by a better horse on the day

2-1/9/4   nah




will take 5,s though if any ones offering

2/1.... 8 weeks from the festival ? bookmakers will want to get him and pp will surely offer a special on him on the day ........

Wait until the day is the call and back him with the faller money back concessions.  Simples

'apart from Clarcam' is quite a big caveat considering he has only had 2 Chase runs though isnt it?! Also Real Steel isnt a bad animal imo.

Yes its only 2 Chase runs each, but its pretty clear Vautour has run in the considerably tougher races of the two.

But that's kind of my point CCM regarding the two chase starts, People can't throw up the beaten nothing cravat when both have had easy introductions to chasing, Both have won 1 and I'm sure UDS would be 2 from 2 but for tipping up which given Vautours immaculate round of jumping fto compared to his second starts shows they can all make mistakes, If any horse falters at Cheltenham that'll be the end of their chances and that goes for every race.

I agree Real Steel isn't a bad horse but then neither is Smashing, For me whoever turns up should be hard to beat and I could dismantle either horse if I so wished but that won't change anything as far as how they'll fair on the day.

If people only look for the good in their pick and the bad in others that does not give their pick any more chance of success, Just means they've glossed over the form to suit.

Yes over fences but then I am a Clarcam fan and he'd be my pick for the Arkle so I like that you'd think the same, Less complications and so far hasn't put a foot wrong, Also don't think it was off FTO myself behind Vautour.

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^^^ Correct.

UDS has beaten nothing, Well I'd happily own a dual French Champion Hurdle winner who gave Solwhit a 8 length thumping as a nothing horse myself, Can someone tell me what Vautour has beaten of note apart from Clarcam if the suggestion is just to do with since both have gone chasing ?

The French Champion Hurdle? This the same Gemix that was beat 61 lengths when it came to UK shores?

Always looked the type to do better chasing last season I felt, Was a big leggy unfurnished thing who Gordon ran as often as possible to get him mentally tuned up, Think you have the right 2 covered but I am toying with a cover of Court Minstrel who is only worth backing on decent going so I can forgive the last run on soft.

I think UDS is a great horse but would not be surprised one bit if they skip the Festival and go back to France, Those French premiums are a big incentive for pure French breds and the prize money is better.

Haigoa is one to note from this weekend, Won the fillies hurdle at Pau, Be surprised if no one tries to pick her up, If you missed the race it's worth checking out.
Good luck for today.

I suspect Vautour is the better horse but as others have noted, Clarcam didn't look to be trying on his first run. The whole field let Vautour go and wins he liked.

Agree that we didn't see the real Vautour last time, but Clarcam beat the rest senseless. That is my angle. That at 12-1 a couple of weeks ago he looked a very big price. He might well hit the frame just by jumping well this year, and while I respect him greatly, I'm happy to take UDS on at Cheltenham. People have spoken about his jumping and the risks of him tipping up, but for me the bigger risk is how he'll cope with 60,000 people beforehand. He could easily boil over.

Score between them is 1-1 but only one of those has yet to put a foot wrong, Be foolish to dismiss his win as a fluke imo but you work away, Maybe you're onto something with all this fluke & fart talk.

and ran as it suggested*

no i am agreeing with you, my response was to thecollector

Gemix has won 8 out of 20 and you reckon he's top class? Each to their own.