Cheltenham Festival
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 525 comments are related to the topic:
Un De Sceaux and Willie Mullins
Un De Sceaux and Willie Mullins
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 525
|
By:
Clearly that's 4 things
 |
|
By:
That's 4 CV !!!!
|
|
By:
all four valid reasons
 , just an aside the two best Arkle winners of the last few years Sprinter Sacre and Simonsig went off SP of 8/15 and 8/11 so whether UDS will shorten up alot more between now and cheltenham must b fairly unlikely. PP must be preparing the Cheltenham special around him or Douvan |
|
By:
Hope so,if hes evens or better............nah he wont be.
|
|
By:
I don't think he will be Paddys special. He has already easily beaten his closest rivals. I'm thinking 4/7 at the very best.
|
|
By:
Paddy Will do UDS, Faugheen or Douvan. Most likely UDS to generate some betting interest in the race as I imagine most punters who haven't bet will stay away or bet small.
|
|
By:
Someone will take him on on the Tuesday morning with a silly offer for small stakes. They'll be hoping he tips up and it will generate publicity. CVB bang right not to back him now. If you're not on like me, we've missed the boat.
 |
|
By:
An important skill in this game is knowing when you missed the boat and price is gone. I mean Douvan, UDS, Faugheen all unbackable prices now.
Vautour at 3/1 is maybe a shade of Value imo, I think he's a 2/1 shot probably. Valseur Lido was inferor over hurdles, he was also ridden to win the Drinmore and beat Real Steel by 12l when that horse jumped so badly left for so much of the race. Vautour was going to beat that horse by 8 or 10l on the Bridle over same trip going left handed. I'd have Vautour a decent bit clear of Valseur Lido tbh. |
|
By:
See UDS is back in the market for the Champion Chase on here,taken out when he weren't entered,now put back in.
Supplementary option week before the race....would they take that option if SS and SDG are non runners or have doubts re their ability to produce their best?? Hes also available with a run on oddschecker. Interesting!!! |
|
By:
not a chance in hell he runs in the queen mother.
the arkle has the potential to massively cut up - it's going to suit UDS even more letting him do his thing out in front. champion chase they've got champagne fever, who they'll want to lead or be very prominent with. special tiara, al ferof, unxizandre, hidden cyclone. all will want the lead/be prominent. he can have a clear trouble free round in the arkle |
|
By:
Any person who wants can have a horse added to the market. It's about as interesting as paint drying. Mullins and Ruby have already said Arkle. He is going to the Arkle.
|
|
By:
I've got UDS 6/1 NRNB for QMCC but think I'm only going to get my money back. I thought they might send him there and Vautour to the Arkle but the way Mullins enters all his horses for every race tells you how unlikely it is that he will supplement. You'd have thought though that they'd enter him in the QMCC instead of the JLT. Makes no sense to me.
|
|
By:
He will have a clear trouble free round whatever race hes in.
When I asked for a horse the other day they said no, as he weren't entered. So I understand him being taken out when he weren't entered,but bringing him back?? And why is he priced up with a run?? Clearly some are of the opinion he could run. |
|
By:
Anyone would think a horse has never been supplemented before.
I think the horse would have every chance in the QM,so do those that have priced him up at 3/1 with a run. Maybe those closer to him may think that as well. As for Mullins and Walsh,yes they have said the Arkle,but they can easily change,and really all they have to say is that the QM is there for the taking......I would understand that. It would be with doubts over the top two chasers of the past couple of years. |
|
By:
the queen mother is a far more difficult race to win
he will have completely his own way in the arkle do you really think mullins, the guy who kept quevega to the easiest race every single year is going to put a novice chaser in the queen mum? absolutely no chance whatsoever |
|
By:
So what horse is going to be in front of him? or even alongside him??
Don't think theres a horse in training that could do that without harming its own chance. Fair point about Quevega but this is a totally different horse. As for the novice chaser bit,what does that matter if you are lengths ahead?? he will still jump the same fences. And hes a darn good jumper anyway. |
|
By:
No chance,yet hes available with a run.
Clearly their is a chance,maybe a slim one.......but he is 90 on here. |
|
By:
theres a big difference between dispatching inferior novices and then stepping up to the QM.
yes others may comprimise their chances but the jockey on the aforementioned leaders/prominent racers will all know they need to hassle him to beat him and it could be a nightmare race for UDS. UDS is very good yes but lets take it one step at a time...he's had 3 chase starts, fallen in one. it would be mad to send him for the harder race when the easier one is there for the taking. |
|
By:
the bookies could price up my c*ck and balls winning the gold cup but they aint gonna run
|
|
By:
Budd, there were doubts about SS & SDG when the entries were made. They entered him for the JLT!!!!! WHY?
It's just not logical to supplement now IMO. |
|
By:
Don't agree at all.
Think the harder race will be the one that UDS is in. In other words I think without SS and SDG hes the best 2m chaser around.Its possible he may be the best with those if they aint as good as they were,and it does look like SS aint. Really don't care how many races hes had to be honest. Ive already seen enough to convince me. |
|
By:
No idea re the JLT shock,strange one, but the trainer does that.
Supplementing Makes perfect sense to me mate, I think he would win it. |
|
By:
take UDS out of both races. would you rather face that arkle field or the champion chase field? no brainer, and then take into account their preferred running styles
let UDS walk the walk in the arkle before dreaming of QMS. he if destroys the arkle field, they can wait for punchestown to take on the best. doesnt all have to be about chelt. |
|
By:
The year Sprinter Sacre won the Arkle do you not feel he was good enough then to beat Finians Rainbow in the Queen Mother.
I do. |
|
By:
Budd, I think UDS could win the QMCC and have a 6/1 bet, but IMO don't think they'll supplement.
|
|
By:
the point is not what the horse could win, but what is right for the horse. its a massivre question to ask such an inexperienced chaser no matter how good they look
|
|
By:
This is a horse that will be out in front,no doubt about it. So your 1st point to me is not relevant...it would be if he were in amongst horses,he clearly wont be.
It makes no difference to him what calibre of horse is in behind. Yes they would have more chance of catching him in a QM, but if they think hes better than the opposition than they wont be worried about that. If they don't he would not run anyway. Look im just summising about a horse that is available at 90. And giving my opinion on why it COULD happen,I really don't think it WILL happen though. But I will say, if he were mine I would be keeping a close eye on the runners in the QM. |
|
By:
They won't supplement him I'm sure.
Personnally I have no trouble with a novice going for a championship race. He has proved he can jump well, he has an engine and front runs. I'd back him if was entered, no doubting. |
|
By:
let UDS do the talking in the arkle.
he looks very good but the way you go on he's the best horse that's ever lived! of course it matters who's in behind. the likes of hidden cyclone, speical tiara etc would go like the clappers to inconvenience him. you think they'll all let him just bowl along in the QM? the arkle is different, full of novices who arent going to pressure him from the off |
|
By:
Each to their own mate.
I don't know why you think the opposition will be happy to let go on uncontested in The Arkle but won't in another race. Western Warhorse posted a time 1 second faster than Sire De Grugy last year. |
|
By:
the difference in the arkle is that the jockeys will take into account their horses are novices and wont force them
like the arkle when sprinter won it, al ferof blundered his chance away but menorah and cue card were not pestered to go chasing sprinter sacre when he went off on his own. who can compete for the lead with him in the arkle? his main market danger cant even jump! |
|
By:
They simply will not contest the lead in the QM,they know it would damage their own chance.
They would lay off him hoping to catch him at the business end. He don't need to win an Arkle to convince me,hes already showed me,ive seen it with my own eyes. Hes convinced me he as at least the 3rd best 2m chaser around,at least. |
|
By:
Still,if nothing else at least its livened up the forum tonight!!
 |
|
By:
22 new posts discussing UDS in the Champion Chase!!!!
I will give you £100 cash budd if UDS runs in the Champion Chase. No catches. Just please give up on the UDS for Champ Chase disucssion from this thread.  |
|
By:
Tell you what mate
I will not post any more unless others do,thats the best I can do. So a fiver at 90 plus the bet I had start of the season at 50,and 100 quid from my ol mate. COME ON WILLIE...........ya know it makes sense!!!!!!!! |
|
By:
cv stop being an old miser...you spent an age discussing bloody statistics on the other thread. now THAT is boring!
|
|
By:
 |
|
By:
Wicketd
|
|
By:
If SDG and SS are missing/not the best I would be pretty sure that WM would fancy his chances wth Champagne Fever anyway so I cant see UDS in Ch chase.
|
|
By:
True,but then he may know UDS is a better 2m chaser,i think he is and I would say so do most people.
|