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tell us more willie mullins
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I think what was said about TUM and Outlander is if both lined up in Neptune Cooper would ride TUM. Think his housemate said that on final furlong pod.
Just feel no run for TUM after his setback or poor running lto is big negative. As is Shaneshill not been sighted since Dec |
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Think gigg will run 2 in one 2 in other. Which ones anyone's guess. But thinking about that, looking at previous years, they don't actually run that many in the championship novice races, not as many as people might think anyway and certainly not anywhere near as many as they do in preps or at home in domestic grade ones
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They have bought a lot of dirt over the years too SeaTheStars !! This is by far the strongest team of horses they've ever had.
Also horses in training with the likes of Fenton, Rothwell and Swan and horses in training with Mullins and Meade .... you don't need to be following racing too long to know which would have the better Cheltenham prospects. |
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That was about the Deloitte CV. It was between TUM and Identity Thief and Robbie McNamara said Cooper had already decided to ride TUM if he was declared
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I don't think another horse that has only ever won one maiden hurdle, and is 14/1 and 25/1 for his festival targets, who has had more discussion on on a forum than Tell us More.
At least Minsk had won an Irish Cesarewitch FFS  |
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Ta Tory, knew it was about TUM and another horse. Identity thief was the other, not Outlander. I stand corrected.
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Any recent news on this one? Korals are a stand out 25/1 for the supreme and although i am mighty tempted i can't help but think i be throwing away my £20 and might as well give it to the next homeless man i see begging for change in the street for his next bottle of cheap cider
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Last I heard they were waiting for him to spark in his work and that - if he did - the Neptune would be his race. The fact that the markets are all over the place suggest to me that he hasn't 'sparked'
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Can't see this running to be honest and if he does he certainly ain't winning, and I say that with a 20-1 voucher from ages ago in the sky rocket
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MULLINS AND HIS MULTIPLE ENTRIES coupled with the 4 days has done something to this show
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Won't be coming over, my guess is they'll keep him for Punchestown
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is that confirmed by the stable bbf - or just your guess?
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Bryan Cooper confirmed at a Preview Night he rides Outlander in the Neptune. Find it unlikely TUM will be seen at Cheltenham this year, having said that a bit of money came for the Neptune today.
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Cooper said at Waterford on Thursday Tell Us More would go for the Supreme
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I don't think anyone has got a clue who runs where, keep getting different opinions from those involved so I guess it's just wait and see.
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Tell Us More will run in the Supreme if he runs at all as Gigginstown have nothing else for it. They have a few for the Neptune. I watched back Tell Us More's Naas race and his hurdling was terrific. He didn't get up the hill at Naas which probably isn't a good omen for Cheltenham. The Scorpion thing is getting mentioned too but the shorter trip would be in his favour based on I what I saw in the Naas race. I could see him jumping and travelling very well and fading in the straight.
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People on Twitter today saying that mullins has talked about him in the irish field today and all but confirmed him for the neptune. Haven't read the article so no idea how correct
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I was at the Cheltenham preview night Cooper was on and he only mentioned him in the context of the Supreme. Would seem a bad move to me to run him in the Neptune when a) Gigginstown have others for the race and b) at Naas, he looked like a step back in trip might suit him
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I don't think the trip was the issue at Naas. The horse blew up IMO and ran under par like a few of Willie's did at that time.
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Very much agree with CCM. Neptune looks tailor made to me
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I heard it's definitely the Albert Bartlett. My source is a mouse in Tell Us More's box who heard it from the horse's mouth. The actual horse.
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The comment from the Irish Field:
TELL US MORE 5yo b g (11-12) Scorpion - Zara’s Victory Gigginstown House Stud He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. Pedigree-wise he could go for the Albert Bartlett, but he has enough speed for the Supreme. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling. |
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Thanks. That's pretty much exactly the same comment on the ATR site.
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Everyone in Ireland appears to want to avoid Douvan so it wouldn't surprise me to see Gigginstown run a few in an an open looking Neptune.
Surprised Cooper has committed to Outlander so early, all the same. |
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Report in Irish Field from WM states;-
"He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling" Sounds like bets are still on. |
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Gigginstown will want to keep their runners apart ..... I doubt they will want 3 runners in the Neptune and none in the Supreme. Also the fact Cooper is saying Supreme is going to surely have some influence .... Don Poli / Valseur Lido are going the route Cooper said they would at the start of the season and not the one Mullins wanted.
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Just sellotaped Neptune slips back together, now I need to tear them up again - aaarghhh
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To be fair to mullins, every time he has been asked about this horse he has always said Neptune.
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I've no idea where he'll run to be honest ... I'm reading between the lines but for an operation like Gigginstown it would make sense to split up the runners. Also the same with Alvisio Ville ... I cannot believe JP / AP would like to see him line up for Supreme alongside Jollyallan when they have absolutely nothing else for the Neptune / AB.
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I still don't think he will come over
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SYT, think they are concerned with AV settling and the speed of the supreme will give him more chance of doing that.
makes sense to me.I have him nrnb for both races, so on that score I aint bothered, but I think I would prefer him in the supreme,think he has a better chance in that race. |
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Wish I knew who would ride him though.
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Bryan Cooper "Outlander and Tell Us More are also great rides to have, but there is no final plan with them yet. The Neptune looks the obvious race for Outlander."
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From London preview night
Onto the Neptune. Rich and Sam have nowt in it. Rich reckons Tell Us More runs in it. Nichols Canyon wouldn't be his choice |
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Looks like it is Supreme or bust with this one now judging by the markets, just been laid out to 95 on here in neptune
 God i wish i had availed myself to some of the 25s korals were last week now |
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Social runner - if it was right it would be in the Neptune. Been watching Douvan's backside disappear into the distance for weeks.
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Its alright got a little on just now at 20s, worked out me book on supreme and just squeezed him in. Full up on that event now it seems. No more bets to be gad between now and about Weds morning when books offer enhancements on main protagonists in the big races. Not bothered about Tues, already on them at nice prices.
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He'll be cruising this horse right up until the bottom of the hill. Looks at his Naas run - he has an engine and he's electric away from his hurdles. He didn't find much off the bridle that day and much is made of his sire's record. Still though looks a good back to lay to me.
As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season. Nichols Canyon beat Allez Colomberies (not a great example I know), McKinley beat Tell Us More, Nichols Canyon beat Alvisio Ville, Twinlight beat Ballycasey, Outlander beat Killutagh Vic, there's probably more. They know as much as the rest of us ... and it would be no surprise to see Tell Us More to finish ahead of his 3 stablemates, DOuvan, Shaneshill or Alvisio Ville (who if I was JP McManus would be running in the Neptune) |
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As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season.
The pre season Mullins hype this season has not worked out at all. They'd all been usurped for one reason or another. Tell Us More didn't go to plan for us, Shaneshill was the other early season Neptune fancy, he had Kalkir in the Triumph, Allez Colombieres was going to be the Supreme horse and Douvan was an afterthought. You'd have some genius foresight to pick out Douvan, Nichols Canyon and Black Hercules as the big 3 Mullins favourites for the novice hurdles. Also part of me is now wondering if Hercules is only favourite because we haven't seen him in ages. His early season reputation is in tact because he's never had a race.  |